Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Let's keep our word

[SBoehmler]

Hi guys, I have to get this off my mind. This has been bothering me for almost a year now. I love this TDR site and I am sure that almost all of us are true to our word but---



Last year I traded in my 99 QC on a 2004. While going through my take off items from the 99 I came across a Prime Loc System that I had paid good money for and I had not been using for some time. I posted this information and offered it to anyone who wanted it at no cost other that paying the shipping. I received messages from several people that wanted to have it so I thought the only fair way was to give to the person that asked for it first. After talking with this person, who I shall not name, and getting his address he said that he would send me a check for the shipping when I knew how much it was going to cost. I said that I would take it to town and ship it and put a packing list with it that had my address and the shipping cost and he could just mail me a check after he received it. After all, if you can't trust a fellow TDR member who can you trust? After waiting some time for the check that never arrived, I sent him a couple of "private" emails. I also called and left a message on his answering machine asking why he had not sent the check and when he was going to send it. There was never any reply. I tracked the package on UPS and it was received.



Now I do not even remember what the shipping cost was but I think it was under $15. It is not the money it is the principle. I thought that I was over being mad but as I write this it makes me realize I am not because I don't understand why someone would take advantage of someone who is trying to do something good for them.



I am sure that most all of us are honest and caring individuals but here is a reminder that there is always an exception. For all of you who that share your information on this site which has helped me many many times I thank you and this is just a reminder to treat others with the honesty that we all deserve. Oo.

 

[Bob Wagner]

makes me sick when I hear crap like this. But it does happen. And 99. 9% of the member's that I know are like brothers.



sorry for your trouble :{

 

[ctd8999]

Some people are A-HOLES

Steve, Sometime it just doesn't pay to be a nice guy, hope you get the money from the JERK. Thanks Steve B.

 

[barbwire]

I have had good luck with most of the TDR members that I have dealt with. One of them did not follow through with our dealing, but didn't cost me anything. I guess that I would deal with TDR members sooner than many other segments of society, but I guess that they/we are still just people. To get a bad name on this site though, is to almost have to find a different form of entertainment. Even though we are spread out through the world, we still seem to be a tight knit group.

I am sorry to hear of the wrong done to you,by one member, but I also hope that you do not give up on the rest of us.

I guess too, that there is a possibility, that some tradgety befell him, and he could not follow through. And maybe the ones close to him did not know what the situation was. One never knows.

 

[bpenrod]

Your a better man than I am as I would probably post his name to warn others off! It makes me nervous to hear this as I am ready to ship out my EZ. The guy offered to send the check once I quoted him shipping and let it clear before I mail the unit so he sounds like a stand up guy. Hard to believe someone would risk a bad name on a site they paid money to join over such a small amount.

 

[JGK]

Some folks are just inclined to take advantage of trusting people, or they just don't care to worry about it. To me, the best way to deal with people like that is to put the heat on them. Put the spot light on them and don't let them fade into the crowd. Post his name or handle. You'll probably get your money and they won't likely do that kind of thing again on this site or any other, or they will drop out and disappear. There's no excuse for that kind of thing on this site. Make them come up to the standards the rest of us (hopefully) literally subscribe to here. You have that right.



As Ann Landers used to say, you only become a door mat when you lay down and let people walk on you (or words to that effect).



-Jay

 

[diesel DOG]

I would not hesitate to say the name at all. Are you sure nothing has happen to him physically? A sickness or accident possible? Are they still posting here?

 

[jwilliams3]

Sorry to hear about this.

I can only hope that the person doing this is getting it back twice as worse in the long run!

 

[sg5054]

another sad day

I suggest that you post his details. It will keep others from getting burned and let him know he has been recognized for his poor behavior and ethics.

Personally I would want to know so that I may avoid any future dealings with him.

 

[Fireman Dave]

I've made 2 purchases from TDR members over the years and it was a great experience - no ripoffs, and we all did what we said we'd do in sending payment and shipping the items.



I don't want to tell you to post this guy's name, but let me tell you a story. I know of 2 TDR members who had a deal go bad between them. I consider myself a friend of both. I knew privately about the conflict for a long time. I'll use fake names here. "Joe" had agreed to buy something of "Rick's". Rick gave the items to Joe on good faith. Months and months went by without any payment from Joe to Rick. Rick and Joe were friends, so it was a delicate situation. Rick was very concerned about not letting out Joe's name publicly, but he was extremely frustrated that Joe wouldn't pay up. I was of the opinion that it should be kept private to give Joe the benefit of the doubt. But as time went on it became more clear, I'm sad to say, that Joe just wasn't going to pay. It finally got resolved in private - but not from Joe paying up.



I now seriously question the decision to keep it private, because "Joe" has now gone on to TDR infamy as someone who left a lot of other people holding the bag. There are active threads that name Joe in regard to another matter, and he's ruined as a TDR member. The benefit of the doubt has long passed, and he's widely considered to be a fraud. I still think he may have been a good guy who just got in over his head, but I just don't know anymore. It's the way he's handled it - by disappearing - that makes me think I was fooled by him.



Here's the point (finally). If Rick and Joe's prevoius situation had been made public, then all of those other people may have been wise to Joe and not gotten ripped off. So there may be a public service interest in making this person's name known to other TDR members. But then there's also legal issues to consider that Steve or Robin may have an opinion about.



I echo what others have said - I think 99. 9% of TDR members are good and honest people. If this guy would just respond to you that he can't send the money or something, at least you'd have something to go on. It's the no response that just burns a guy up, doesn't it? Some people are scared to admit they're unable to come through or something, so they think avoidance is the way out. A little explaining goes a long way when you're having problems.



PS: I'm not "Joe" or "Rick".

 

[JSellers]

Web personalities

---just realized after posting this - I've tagged "Joe's" name to this thread from Fireman Dave's post, but I think my point is still valid. Sorry...



The TDR, like any other internet forum, has a wide range of personalities, with all members exhibiting their behavior mostly by the language of their postings. This occurs just like other forms of interaction in our society. It takes all types, and each type will surface eventually.



I lurked here for a couple years before subscribing, and during that time watched lots of personalities emerge by reading threads. Most people are civil, perhaps mimicking their in-person demeanor (maybe so, maybe not?). But after reading posts by any individual for a while, we can all get a feeling for what that person is really like. I do want to mention here that TDR members - inferred from the majority of posts - are better than any other internet group with which I have EVER had contact.



In this case, SBoehmler will have to decide if "Joe" is holding true to his 'posting personality' with this bad purchase transaction. If "Joe" doesn't normally post such that he indicates this unacceptable behavior, then it would be in TDR's best interest that SBoehmler post identity details. Then others would be aware, and avoid future conflicts. If "Joe's" posting history already shows that he might not be trustworthy, then maybe his lack of payment doesn't warrant widespread exposure. But, in the latter case, his close acquaintances will already realize his true moral code. People that know you personally ALWAYS know you best.



SBoehmler, posting "Joe's" identity is your call. I'm sure the rest of us will stand beside you. I applaud your plea for honesty among all of us. Thanks for that.



Hope this helps,

John

 

[Sled Puller]

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[R-N-R]

I support a buyer/seller feedback forum within the Classified Ads section, however moderating the Discussion Forums is a healthy challenge, can you imagine moderating a Feedback section?



I have successfully purchased a number of items from TDR members and I always performed a search of their posts first. I believe that you can get a good feel for how somebody treats their equipment, and also get a glimpse of their character via their postings.



I purchased from "Joe" in '03 with positive results, and would have again without considering a potential problem... unless I had information to make me think twice.

 

[HeavyHauler]

If you feel that this is someone that might try to pull a fast one on other TDR members, I think it is your duty to expose him for what he really is. Let's say that he beats someone else out of money and then they post his name on here - then it would probably be on your conscience.



However, if you think this is an isolated incident and that he probably won't be back - I'd just keep quiet like your doing now. There's no sense in making an issue out of something that's not an issue. But I would certainly like to know who he is if you believe that he is still active on the TDR.



For the record, I have sold several items on the TDR classifieds and the transactions have been flawless. I try to take care of fellow TDR members as I believe most everyone does. I agree that 99. 9% of the members on here are pretty good folks.

 

[SBoehmler]

Thanks guys for all of the conversion on this topic. I do feel that most of the TDR members are good honest people that will go out of their way to help others. That is , of course, what I was trying to do when I posted the Prime Loc at no charge. I just hated to throw it away if someone wanted it and could make use of it.



I have taken into account your suggestions and decided to do a search on the party that did not pay up. If I did the search right, he has not posted or answered any post since ten days after I put the Prime Loc post up. Perhaps he has had something happen and was unable to respond. Because it has been many months since his last participation in the forums I have decided not to post his name.



I appreciate your support with this issue and can only say that I will always get payment in advance in the future. From that standpoint it was my mistake and it won't happen again.

 

[justinp20012500]

I support a buyer/seller feedback forum within the Classified Ads section, however moderating the Discussion Forums is a healthy challenge, can you imagine moderating a Feedback section?



I have successfully purchased a number of items from TDR members and I always performed a search of their posts first. I believe that you can get a good feel for how somebody treats their equipment, and also get a glimpse of their character via their postings.



I purchased from "Joe" in '03 with positive results, and would have again without considering a potential problem... unless I had information to make me think twice.

I second the "searching for posts" that will give you a good indication of what the person is about.



If you can't name names, you can pm me right?? And I will do my part to PM everyone in my buddy list to beware of this "joe"





Justin-



For the record I have had only good luck in TDR dealings.

 

[HeavyHauler]

Steve - I think you made the honorable decision. If this guy isn't a threat, then there's no sense in naming him. Like you said, there is a chance that something terrible could have happened, but it's kind of hard to believe that, isn't it?



Good luck in your future dealings.

 

[TORQUE THIS]

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The "TDR Registered Classified Offenders"... If sex offenders have to register with their state, why not these guys, afterall, they are screwin ya...

 

[TDRadmin]

Assistance?

If you have a bad experience with a TDR member on a Classified Ad (or Pay It Forward), email me with their name and brief details. If it is not resolved in a timely manner, we will suspend their access to the TDR Website until the matter is resolved (or a reasonable level of communication has occurred).



We cannot get in the middle of the dispute, but we can suspend posting priviledges and prohibit him/her from future Classified Ads if we know they have been a problem. We have a couple of folks in that situation currently.



My personal email is: rpatton@ix.netcom.com.



Robin

TDR Admin

 

[justinp20012500]

If you have a bad experience with a TDR member on a Classified Ad (or Pay It Forward), email me with their name and brief details. If it is not resolved in a timely manner, we will suspend their access to the TDR Website until the matter is resolved (or a reasonable level of communication has occurred).



We cannot get in the middle of the dispute, but we can suspend posting priviledges and prohibit him/her from future Classified Ads if we know they have been a problem. We have a couple of folks in that situation currently.



My personal email is: rpatton@ix.netcom.com.



Robin

TDR Admin

Excellent solution to the problem at hand.



Thank you for offering your help Robin.





Justin