Lift Pump Finally Went South!!

[Texasrattler]

I'd rather carry a spare lift pump that I can change on the engine. If the in-tank pump fails it could be a big job on the road especially if you have a lot of fuel. I think the FASS is the bwst of both worlds. My . 02.



Pete

 

[EBottema]

Click here : https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/search.php?searchid=590901 and you can read some other colorful posts by EBottema... pay particular attention to all posted in the 3rd GEN Forums.

Greg

Greg, please prove what I said was wrong in ANY of my posts. All you do it say I am negative, you have nothing to pin point me wrong on. Sorry you cannot take the heat, you better leave the kitchen! All lift pumps don't last forever, but the in the tank business is rediculous. Have fun lifting the bed and the tank to change it!

 

[ttreibel]

After doing the fuel tank vent mod I can tell you I would rather change the lift pump thats not in the tank. I sure hope we don't get stuck with the retrofit kit they should have both available. IMO Anything over 100K is acceptable for a lift pump failure I do think it's better to push then pull fuel but dropping the tank is a real PIA.

 

[rbattelle]

Greg, please prove what I said was wrong in ANY of my posts.

EBottema reminds me of a great list called "The Riceboy Rules" that I got online somewhere awhile back. You can find the entire list here. The one I most closely associate with EBottema is:

In a debate, your opinions count as much as real facts. If you think that Mustangs are ugly, that counts for just as much against them as being a whole second faster in the quarter mile. Remember, facts take time to look up, whereas opinions only take seconds to dream up.

 

[tschwab]

EBottema reminds me of a great list called "The Riceboy Rules" that I got online somewhere awhile back. You can find the entire list here. The one I most closely associate with EBottema is:

:-laf

Thanks Ryan, agreed!

 

[gsbrockman]

Sorry you cannot take the heat, you better leave the kitchen!

My kitchen is ventilated quite well... . (remember. . I have 24 valves and you have 12)..... apparently you forgot the article in a past issue stating the reliability factor of the 3rd GEN trucks in comparison to the 12V's. I don't see alot of people going to the 2nd GEN forums and bashing non HPCR (12V's or 24V's) CTD's..... and the entire tank is not that hard to drop... . the bed does not require removal..... Dave Kelley's vent kit mod was installed by Dave personally in my truck (I assisted slightly). Your input and opinions in the 3rd GEN forums are less than tactfully presented 99% of the time.

Greg

 

[EBottema]

That Riceboy title does not fit me at all. It says that RiceBoy loves new technology. And riceboy always goes with personal attacks such as calling people names like "gay". None of those I do, there are more than a few people that do like starting the personal attacks.



If you enjoy dropping the tank and taking a diesel bath then thats your problem. You can also remove the bed and make it a lot easier on yourself. Lowing tank or raising the bed are both a pain in the butt. You know why mopar changed the design?? Well, costs more to replace an in the tank pump. More Profit. Sorry you cannot see that.



Next time you make a comment about me being a riceboy, know I am more anti immigration, anti outsourcing than you will ever ever be. The word rice just doesnt fit.

 

[Tomeygun]

You know why mopar changed the design?? Well, costs more to replace an in the tank pump. More Profit. Sorry you cannot see that.

But if they replace it under warranty (mopar foots the bill), wouldn't that be less profit and more expense?

 

[rbattelle]

But if they replace it under warranty (mopar foots the bill), wouldn't that be less profit and more expense?

Whoa, easy there Tomey! Facts have no place in these sort of arguments! :-laf



Back on topic, I'm hopeful that the in-tank pump is an overall improvement in reliability from a low-pressure fuel system standpoint. Anyone happen to know what the average failure rate on gasser in-tank pumps is? I would speculate that maybe an in-tank pump on a diesel might be of slightly better reliability than the average gasser pump since diesel has much higher lubricity. That's just a guess, though.



I had the opportunity to assist on a fuel tank changeout on a 1989 Ford F-150 recently. This thing had sat in a Kentucky farm field for well over a year and was rusted beyond imagination. The retaining ring on the pickup assembly literally just crumbled when we tried to remove it. Nevertheless, the entire process of dropping the tank and reinstalling it was not that bad. Messy, but not particularly difficult (and remarkably free from gas leaks).



People into performance enhancements, however, probably will be hurt by the in-tank pump, since it will probably have to be removed/modified in order to run aftermarket fuel systems like FASS.



-Ryan

 

[EBottema]

Tommy-



maybe 3 out of 100 new dodge trucks has the lift pump fail during the warranty period. That is only becuase of a defective pump from the factory. All pumps should last 150k min...

 

[Loaded 45]

Sometimes if your not a city worker or way out in the country - towing to a dealer is not an option, a guy I worked with had his lift pump (intank) on a chevy truck die on him 4 hrs from any dealer - this does happen. We had to drain the tank,drop it pull the piece of sh#tt pump out of the tank - drive to the nearest dealer, pay 750. 00 cdn, drive back and install it in - 30 deg weather 2 feet of snow - After that show I think in tank pumps suck ***. Had 2 holley blue pumps fail on my truck to - that sucked also, but 20 min later back running, Factory pump never let me down - cary it all the time in case my fass croaks.

 

[Lsfarm]

No Facts again

Ebottom You are contradicting yourself, in your post that I responded to you called the factory pump a POS, yet above you say that only 3/100 go bad. Where do you get your 'Facts' to make these statements?? 3/100 is much better than I would even try to guess at, and since there are absolutely no records or stats to reference to get accurate numbers then 3/100 is nothing but a BS guess. Of course verified facts aren't needed for you to be 'quoting' them .



If you are refering to 'new'2nd gen trucks make sure you include the three pumps I had the dealer replace in the first 20 on my '01. 5 !!



If you hate technology so much toss your computer out the window and stop spouting your 'factoids' and negative opinions opon a forum that you have nothing but negative opinions to add.



I'm here because I work on 2nd and 3rd gen trucks and am very interested in an in-tank pump because they typically will outlast a suction pump 100 to 1.



Greg L

 

[Tomeygun]

Tommy-



maybe 3 out of 100 new dodge trucks has the lift pump fail during the warranty period. That is only becuase of a defective pump from the factory. All pumps should last 150k min...

I hear that, thank the heavens for my noisy DPP/Fass pump

 

[rbattelle]

maybe 3 out of 100 new dodge trucks has the lift pump fail during the warranty period.

I, too, would like to know your source on that.



-Ryan

 

[EBottema]

3 of out 100 is just a guess. There are always defective ones in the bunch. Could be 1 could be 10 out of 100, just a guess... The in tank pump should go 100k without a hitch just like an inline pump. Dodge knows that they will and they will last the warranty period. So it breaks at 120k miles, they get to charge a buttload labor time to drop tank or raise bed. Making items less owner serviceable creates greater profits. Car companies have been doing that for years now... Not hard to see that one guys. Why did they drop the 7/70 powertrain? Costing them too much money... Simple economics.

 

[rbattelle]

First you say:

Dodge knows that they will and they will last the warranty period. So it breaks at 120k miles, they get to charge a buttload labor time to drop tank or raise bed.

Then you say:

Why did they drop the 7/70 powertrain? Costing them too much money... Simple economics.

So which one is it? If parts are designed to last through the warranty period, why would they need to cancel 7/70 because it's costing them too much money?

 

[EBottema]

Lift pumps are designed to last through the warranty period. with the 7/70, i was talking about u joints and such. The point I was trying to make is car companies ALWAYS make decisions to increase their profits... If that is dropping a 7/70 warranty b/c it costs too much, or putting the lift pump in the tank to cost extra for labor charges in the future... Or use plastic intercooler tanks... . I guess no one sees the light?

 

[Lsfarm]

Mr Negative

Ebottom, Your glass is always half empty isn't it?



Greg L



Edit, spelling, Ebottom you of all the posters on this thread should not throw out remarks about spelling!!

 

[lmills]

Oh thank God for the ignore list!

 

[EBottema]

Ebottom, Your glass is always have empty isn't it?



Greg L

Ya , my glass is HALF full. Not have empty :-laf



Do you have empty?