Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Lift pump/ regulator install pic

[CannonBall]

Relocated fuel lift pump from the engine to frame just forward of fuel tank. Will keep everyone updated on how pump and regulator hold up. Click here to view pump install

 

[Bigsaint]

Real nice, clean install . What size compression fitting did you use on the return hardline ??? Hope it lasts for ya.



Scott W.

 

[yogibear]

Looks good Gordon, wish I had it on mine so we could get some test miles on it. Maybe in the near future we can get one on mine, hate to put something not tested good on tho, cause I'm always on the road, and you know its not going to wait till I get home to give trouble!!

Larry

 

[CannonBall]

Bigsaint, those are 5/16 compression fittings the other ends are 1/4 inch pipe. Larry, I know what you mean about this set up not being tested. I may purchase another pump and throw it in the toolbox. I do not like to walk either. One good thing is that this pump is very easy to R/R in this location.

 

[Bigsaint]

Thanks



Scott W.

 

[JTBMC]

Cannonball

What type of pump is it and what #s are you pushing before and after the regulator.

If it works out for you, where can I get one, along with the regulator. Or better yet the whole set up.

Thanks, TJ

 

[CannonBall]

TJ, I purchased everthing out of a Jeg's catalog. This particular pump is manufactured by Holley. The part number is (0510512-103). If you go to the Jeg's website and enter the part# you can read up on the pump specs.



The regulator is built by Aeromotive. The part# is (02713301). The hose is Russell Twist-Lok. Fittings are Aeroquip. Again, pick up a Jeg's catalog and you will find everthing.



I have my fuel pressure set at 16PSI and it is holding well thus far. Fuel pressure does not move off of 16PSI even when hauling loads. I am mildly bombed (VA, DDStage1's, Boost Fooler).

 

[Gene Heck]

Originally posted by CannonBall

Relocated fuel lift pump from the engine to frame just forward of fuel tank. Will keep everyone updated on how pump and regulator hold up. Click here to view pump install

CannonBall,



Very nice looking setup. It looks like it takes up less space than the carter pump. Keep us informed on how it's doing. I'll be away for a couple weeks but will check in with your setup when I get back. I'll be doing something with my new truck soon.



NOTE - On vacation, not in jail guys, ha ha!!

 

[JTBMC]

Thanks CannonBall,

I'm goining through my 3rd lift pump, and need to try a better mouse trap

TJ

 

[BIG BOB]

CannonBall,



I tried the part numbers you posted on the Jeg's website. They didn't work. Are those numbers posted, Jeg's part numbers or manufacture part numbers?

 

[BIG BOB]

CannonBall,



I found them, just need some hyphens in the right places.



Pump part number is 510-512-103. Looks like the 510-512-105 puts out a few more GPH.



Regulator number is 027-13301.



Please keep up informed on how this setup works for you.



By the way, I didn't see your signature, what types of modifications are you running?

 

[CannonBall]

Bob, I am bombed pretty mildly. I have the first generation VA, boost fooler, DDStage1"s, 4 inch exhaust and my own version of a BHAF.

 

[thepitts]

Factory pump

Did you do away with the factory pump and if so where did you get a wiring harrness to reach back that far? Or did you make your own, if so where did you connector to plu into the factory harrness?



Thanks

 

[TowPro]

Couple questions.



This Holly pump is rated at 16psi. In the Holly paperwork they say "requires regulator". Now on a gas engine with a carb, or even a TB injection system I can understand the need for a regulator, but if we want 16psi, and we have our own built in regulator, why do we need to add the aftermarket regulator?



Also you say "relocated fuel pump" so I assume this means this is your only fuel pump?



I was thinking of going with this same pump, mounted in the back like yours, only was thinking of adding a strainer/filter before it. (see what I can dig up at TSC)

Originally posted by CannonBall

Relocated fuel lift pump from the engine to frame just forward of fuel tank. Will keep everyone updated on how pump and regulator hold up. Click here to view pump install

 

[CannonBall]

TowPro, I can relate to your confusion, I was the same way when I started this project.



First , there is no regulator in place on our trucks. If there is I am unaware of it. The stock pump these trucks are equipped with can do nothing but lose fuel pressure as more fuel is being demanded. Bombing makes this condition even worse.



Second, why the regulator? Simple. This particular Holley pump can make in the neighborhood of 45PSI unregulated. I tryed this pump with no regulator and I had starting problems due to excessive fuel pressure and also had fuel pouring out around the two o-rings in the filter head drain. I could not make the fuel pressure gauge even budge off of pegged no matter how I drove the truck as well. This pump requires a return style regulator if you want to maintain a constant fuel pressure setting which in my case is 16PSI.



You also mentioned a fuel filter. If you look at the picture you will see an inline 10 micron filter on the inlet side of the pump. You definitely do not want a high restriction filter pre-pump.



Now the bad news, I do not know if I would recommend this particular pump or not. The first reason being is that it is untested when it comes to standing the test of time. Secondly, I cut one of these new pumps wide open with a hacksaw and was not real impressed.



I have another pump coming and should be here tomorrow that is an inline pump but of higher quality. I will use the Holley for a spare just in case. I will get some pictures up. It should be about a 15 minute swap.



I am also only using a single pump. No pusher pump. Eric, I made my own wire harness and just plugged in to the OEM connector. Gordon.

 

[PRout]

Alright! Even has a regulator...



Geez, Gordon... It sure would be great to have this setup available in "kit" form...



Alot of us are just layin low for one to come available w/ "everything included" to put it in...



Maybe even w/ a shutoff valve at the tank?



How about a kit w/ one as the primary, and one as the redundant backup that can be switched on when your stuck out in the boonies... That would be COOOOOOOOL!!!!!



Yea, a backup pump. . and a shutoff valve at the tank so when your on the backup, you can shut the fuel off & replace the primary pretty easily... oh man... Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[CannonBall]

Shortshift, I thought about a shutoff valve but I decided to make things as simple as possible. Also am trying to eliminate as many fuel connections as possible.



Has anyone been following the cackle issue on the Ford page? It is actually some interesting reading. Some of there members have installed clear line on the suctions side of there lift pumps and are dicovering air bubbles entrapped in the stock fuel lines. They figue the air is entering through the OEM connections. They also attribute this to the cackle. Anyone ever throw a piece of clear hose on? Would be interesting to see the results.



After reading this on the Ford page I then decided to eliminate all the OEM line from the tank to the VP44. Some of the factory connections are kind of cheap, at least the one at the tank anyway. New lift pump should be here today. Will keep everyone up to date.

 

[BK]

CannonBall,



I've been hanging out following this and the transmission thread...

(both great threads)



The Ford clear line thread was a really nifty piece of info.



I guess whats going through your mind and others. . I'll just say it. .

Could that be the cause of some of these lift pumps failures?

Some guys change them as much as they change their oils. . others have no problem or failures. The air could cause cavatation in the lift pump.



the shut off would be good anti theft too.

 

[PRout]

Originally posted by CannonBall

Also am trying to eliminate as many fuel connections as possible.

Cannonball, good point. Totally agreed, simple is best sometimes.



Well, sure hope that clear line reveals the clues that lead to beating the cackle. Hate to see the Ford guys having that much problem w/ their expensive trucks. Yea, we razz 'em plenty, but really don't wish them the bad luck they've had.



Who knows, maybe there is a cavitation problem in our lift pumps. Good luck on your "R&D". Youve made some really nice products so far.

 

[Gene Heck]

Cannonball,



I was looking at this thread that I saved from back in April and I got to wondering how you made out with your setup. I had been thinking about the same Holley pump that you mentioned, but decided to wait. What other brand of pump did you try? How has it worked for you?



Gene