little black boxes and auot trannies?????

[swampbug74]

If you have a automatic transmission and want to put a box on your truck do you have to do any transmission mods. and which box is better someone told the bd box is good because of the van achen. not sure but would like to get one soon. keep hearing about the edge box just sure they all say big hp and touqe gains. what about the blue chip, touqe enhancer.

 

[LSMITH]

If you want to get a box with the auto transmission you are limited to the minor boxes like the EZ or BD/VA or you will have to do transmission mods, a valve body upgrade at least. If you add injectors to a minor box you will be in serious danger of slipping the TC clutch in it's stock form. My advise would be to stay stock, this is a slippery slope you are looking at. Once you start you may not be able to stop. Good luck.

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99 2500 QC 4X4 AUTO SB 24V LARAMIE SLT 3. 5 LSD 285-75-16'S SPA Boost/EGT Everything but leather NRA Member Great Lakes TDR Member

 

[JKloppe]

Go with the EZ it is a great first step. The EZ will slip the TC if you are at 1700rpm's or below. Do the Vb as soon as possible, it is just insurance for your transmission. If you add 275's to the EZ, the stock transmission in lock-up, will not hold below 2000 rpm's unless babied.

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·1999 2500 QC LB Auto 3. 55 4x4
·Armorthane Bed liner, A-pillar gauges, RE-0880, EZ, 275's, Husky mats, strait pipe

[This message has been edited by JKloppe (edited 03-12-2001). ]

 

[K_Arts]

Ditto with Mopar... .

BTW. . how are the DD3's???

Kev

 

[Fred Swanson]

Swampbug, the EZ and VA are very similar, except the EZ has the boost module built in. This could be very attractive, if cost is a concern.
I e-mailed you directly with somemore info.


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Fred Swanson
Co-Owner
Canyon State Components, LLC
www.canyonstatecomponents.com

'00 QC,SB,4x4,Auto,3. 54 w/LSD,Trailer Package, Tow Package, DTT's VB & TC

 

[Challenger-II]

What has ever happened to the VA CPC?? Last year it was the hottest thing with everyone doing group purchases. Is the EZ that much better? The VA has a proven track record with no codes, no dealer detection and no harm to the injector pump. I'm looking to purchase a mild upgrade to my 99' auto and not sure which one?? HELP!!

 

[Mopar-muscle]

challenger , the VA is still good , but it has its short comings , fueling to early and to much and no boost module , i believe the PE EZ is also undetectable .

kevin haven't installed them yet , have to swap the convertor and i'm in the process of BOMBing my fuel system , starting with the banjo bolts .

[This message has been edited by Mopar-muscle (edited 03-12-2001). ]

 

[John]

..... someone say "how are the DD3s???" I'm glad you asked Kevin... THEY'RE AWESOME!!!!

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John Treibel
'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4 Sport, Glasstite Vision II, 285 BFG A/Ts on M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares & tow hooks, NW Custom s/s-rubber mud flaps and accs. , Mag-Hytec diff. cover & trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Reese Titan V hitch, SPA gauges (3), Dynamat, '00 Sport grille and headlights/PIAA Super White bulbs, PIAA Dual Sport 900 aux. lights, BD exh. brake, Amsoil Dual Remote Bypass, Optima Yellow Tops, DD3s and DD TTPM, Aeroquip AQP braided s/s fuel hoses, Banks High-Ram intake manifold and 14 cm2 turbine housing w/Big Head wastegate actuator, ATS 3-piece exh. man. , Banks 4" dia. s/s exh. sys. , DTT 93% TC, DTT custom tuned VB, BD modified trans. front pump (enhanced by DTT), Air Bulldog induction hood (with NACA ducts), plus MANY other trick modifications

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[BBettencourt]

Originally posted by Challenger-II:
What has ever happened to the VA CPC?? Last year it was the hottest thing with everyone doing group purchases. Is the EZ that much better? The VA has a proven track record with no codes, no dealer detection and no harm to the injector pump. I'm looking to purchase a mild upgrade to my 99' auto and not sure which one?? HELP!!

Challanger, I jsut put an EZ on my 99 Auto. After many months of agonizing and reading posts, I went with the EZ. So far so good. I really don't want to have to do a transmission mod. However, I do seem to be putting out more smoke. Pulled my 24' travel trailer last night up a 5%grade from 4200' to 6500'. I could get up to 65 70 without a problem. Milage seemed baaaad. I really don't think I'm going to need much more power. But like these ol timers say once you have started (Power that is) it's hard to stop. Any suggestions from anyone regarding my smoke??

 

[Mopar-muscle]

its a good idea to do the trans anyway , the stock design is very poor . it takes alot to slip the TC , i had 275's , VA and a hot PE and i don't remeber ever slipping the TC , but i like to play with fire .

to answer your question , get the EZ edge , will give you a good little increase and will be transmission friendly .

 

[Mopar-muscle]

bob , what jumper setting do you have the EZ set on ? smoke usually happens with to much fuel at lo boost , i also think the timing change has a bit to do with it , couple that all to your altitude and take it from there .

on your thoughts about NOT moding the trans , the factory design of the TC is bad , one of the best things you can do is get that lousy convertor out , though they all preform the same in lockup , its unlocked where the factory design shows its flaws . your my opinion , if i had never BOMBed my truck , the trans would have been the best change i could have ever made .

 

[swampbug74]

thanks everyone for the information. someone said that the bd is nondectable, is the power edge or do you have to take it out before going to the dealer?

 

[Mark@TST Products]

If you are worried about exceeding the abilitity of your stock automatic transmission, then TST recommends going with aftermarket injectors like RV or DD3 injectors or with black boxes that connect to the input side of the injector pump. None of these modifications make enough power to hurt the stock automatic.

If you want to add serious power to your vehicle like a Blue box or TST PowerMax3 then you will have to upgrade your transmission as stock trannies won't handle the power. You will need to upgrade the automatic transmission with a Transgo TFOD Diesel or Transbutty valve body kit, others aren't enough. The trans kits that don't turn up the line pressure a lot won't help.

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Mark, I will not allow these TDR members to fall victim to the same type of mis-information you provided on the TST website with your shift kit that lowered the pressures instead of increasing the pressures as you indicated.

I suggest you do some more homework on your transmission advice as you could get these members into some serious trouble with your recommendations. DD3's are a serious power enhancement. Anyone suggesting that DD3's are a minor power upgrade is sadly mistaken. This is not considered minor hp as far as the transmission is concerned.

As for shift kits, they are only as good as the guy installing it.

Bill Kondolay
Diesel Transmission Technology

 

[TXRam]

I have to agree - 275's or DD1's are probably OK - still SHOULD get the pressures up (shift kit, complete valve body, etc. ). But I would not recommend to a guy anything more than DD1's without knowing that he is willing to work on the transmission.

 

[Fred Swanson]

WOW! I didn't realize 275RV and DD3's were even in the same ballpark.
Let's see 40-50HP for the 275RV's(depending on the truck) or 100 HP with the DD3's. That seems about even, NOT!

Your kidding, right?
Don't even think about DD3's unless you want to toast your stock transmission.
Shift kits, no thanks?
Get the right tool for the right job.

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Fred Swanson
Co-Owner
Canyon State Components, LLC
www.canyonstatecomponents.com

'00 QC,SB,4x4,Auto,3. 54 w/LSD,Trailer Package, Tow Package, DTT's VB & TC

[This message has been edited by cscpusher (edited 03-14-2001). ]

 

[Mark@TST Products]

Guess some folks have different definitions for serious power and torque.

TST dyno tests most all the aftermarket power gizmos to see where they fall on the power scale. All testing is done on our Mustang dyno which we check calibration on daily. All data is corrected to SAE standard conditions.

The highest torque increase above stock we’ve measured with any 24 valve injector change (plus boost fooler) is 158 lb-ft. The highest torque increase for a black box that connects pre-injection pump computer is 160 lb-ft. We’ve seen a torque increase above stock of 420 lb-ft on the post-injection pump computer with only a PowerMax. Once you’ve driven a truck with 420 lb-ft extra torque, the 160 addition seems pretty sedate.

My opinion is that high torque at low engine speeds is harder on the automatic than high power at high engine speeds. We have had reasonable success with the stock Ram automatic when we turned up engine torque in the 1400 to 1800 rpm range less than 200 lb-ft . If we move torque well above 200 lb-ft in the 1400-1800 rpm range, clutch slip and/or shudder become a problem. Contrary to the negative posts above, we have had excellent results with ordinary valve body repair kits at resolving the shudder/slip when high torque at low speed is applied.

 

[work2muchplay2little]

A question on my mind that would be directed primarily at Bill Kondolay, but would appreciate any feedback on is: I've read that with auto's and performance upgrades, a stable vs adjustable power increase is preferred so that shift points can be set correctly. I'd appreciate an explanation as to why this is the case, and what the downside (drivability/performance/durability) is to adjustable power upgrades with auto's. Trying to get an education ;-)

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Kurt Voss
+++++++++++++++++++++++++1999 2500 24VCTD AUTO 4x4 QC LB Laramie SLT, Luverne stainless steel nerf bars, 3 piece bug deflector, mopar mud flaps, Line-X bedliner, unBOMBed... . yet

 

[Mopar-muscle]

mark , i have driven a ram with 420 ft/lbs plus over stock , its my daily commuter , what a rush #ad
. it is pretty much common knowledge that to much torque down low will slip the lockup clutch , we have had that one drilled into us .

Kurt , Bill can explain it better but i'll give you a bit of first hand non-technical info on adjustable boxes and auto trans . i have 275's , a VA and a hot PE , along with a 4" exhaust . with everything turned on and the PE in level 2 , which is a stock box level 3 , my trans shifts at 3100 1-2 , 3300 2-3 . when i turn the PE off it moves down to around 2900 and 3000 , i have done nothing but turn off the pe , TV cable is still set the same . when i remove the VA , my shift points move down to 2600 rpm , still haven't touched the TV cable . what do i do and can you imagine what nightmares would be caused by 10 levels ???

i set the shift points at my highest usable HP level and live with the other shift points .

adjustable boxes are great for manual transmissions but are a thorn in the side of an automatic equipped ram , if i can duplicate my performance without an adjustable box i will probably delegate the PE to a couple times a year use item .

[This message has been edited by Mopar-muscle (edited 03-15-2001). ]

 

[Big A]

I'll have to agree with Mark on the minor boxes. I dont think the auto is as weak as the rumors state. And I know I'm gonna get lynched on this, but I know alot of guys with auto equipped trucks that have had no problems whatsoever. My EZ has not given my truck any problems. I guess I'm lucky,along with thousands of others.
Big A

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'99 3/4 24 valver Quad,auto,KN stock, westin powder blackpushbar,autometer sportcomp