Here I am

Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting LMT--Does anyone own one of these?

Attention: TDR Forum Junkies
To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.

Thanks, TDR Staff

Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting leather sling care

Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Going to a gun show.....

LMT make great rifles. Their quality is at or above a Colt IMHO. I was a firearms instructor for many years in the past and have owned Colt, LMT and RRA rifles. The fit and finish of LMT is at the top. LMT has military contracts and makes a quality rifle. You can't go wrong with LMT.
 
Great feedback jray. You never know what the sales people are telling you, but seeing the free-floating handguard rail system which is machined from a solid aluminum forging (I saw the forging before machining)really impressed me.
 
No offense, but I don't think the LMT weapons are anywhere near the class of the Colt's. The Colts are sloppy. Machining tolerances are maximum mil-spec. LMT's are wayyyy above the Colt in quality and tolerances. Colt's quality is not any better than DPMS or Bushmaster. I can verify that with a pair of micrometers. LMT's, Stag Arms, and surprisingly, Aero Ordinance. The Stags and Colt's are both manufactured by Continental Machine works, but Stag seems to control their end products better.



Interestingly, I hear a lot of flack about Olympic Arms, and granted, their tolerances aren't any better than DPMS, but they typically shoot very well..... I've had several that would shoot well under 1/2 MOA with multiple ammo brands..... :cool:



As an old Marine Amourer once told me,"It's all in the assembly, son. "
 
List of AR lower manufacturers, and respective sub-purchasers...

Remember, not all the lowers are finished by the primary manufacturer. Some may be rough finished, and then finished in house by the firearm manufacturer:



Lewis Machine & Tool

•LMT

•Lauer

•DS Arms

•PWA

•Eagle

•Armalite

•Knights Armament

•Barrett



Continental Machine Tool

•Stag

•Rock River Arms

•High Standard

•Noveske

•Century (New)

•Global Tactical

•CLE

•S&W

•MGI

•Wilson Tactical

•Grenadier Precision

•Colt



LAR Manufacturing

•LAR

•Bushmaster

•Ameetec

•DPMS

•CMMG

•Double Star

•Fulton Armory

•Spike's Tactical



JVP

•Double Star

•LRB

•Charles Daly



Mega Machine Shop

•Mega

•GSE

•Dalphon

•POF

•Alexander Arms



Olympic

•Olympic

•SGW

•Tromix

•Palmetto

•Dalphon

•Frankford

•Century (Old)



Sun Devil

•Sun Devil forged billet receivers



Superior

•Superior Arms

•Lauer (New)



Aero Precision

•Aero Precision
 
HHhuntitall,

Thanks for the listing of Manufacturers.

I have not jumped on the AR band wagon as yet. Just watching the new developments.

One thing that I have read is that LMT uses billets for their receivers as opposed to a forging.

Forged receivers have a grain structure that eliminates shear points in areas of stress. A Billet receiver has only one grain structure, that is, parallel with the direction of the rolled billet.

The other question is, are LMT's made from solution heat treated 7075 Alloy and Mill Spec surface hardened at a minimum. That Surface hardening is critical to the longevity and reliability of the firearm. 6061 Receivers are to soft, IMHO. I have seen a few offerings made from that alloy over the years.

While LMT's may be pricey, are they worth it?

I still have a bad taste left over from the M-16-A1's we were issued in late 1968. I went through 4 in short order. I am slowly warming up to the new and improved "Lil Black Rifle"! Lots of improvements in the last 44 years. Just got to let go of the past:-laf!

GregH
 
No offense, but I don't think the LMT weapons are anywhere near the class of the Colt's. The Colts are sloppy. Machining tolerances are maximum mil-spec. LMT's are wayyyy above the Colt in quality and tolerances. Colt's quality is not any better than DPMS or Bushmaster. I can verify that with a pair of micrometers. LMT's, Stag Arms, and surprisingly, Aero Ordinance. The Stags and Colt's are both manufactured by Continental Machine works, but Stag seems to control their end products better.

Interestingly, I hear a lot of flack about Olympic Arms, and granted, their tolerances aren't any better than DPMS, but they typically shoot very well..... I've had several that would shoot well under 1/2 MOA with multiple ammo brands..... :cool:

As an old Marine Amourer once told me,"It's all in the assembly, son. "

Colt seems to be standard by which all others are judged. Keep in mind, Colt has military contracts and because of this they build rifles based on government spec. blue prints. Most all other black rifles are considered non-mil-spec because they don't have a military contract and they are therefore reverse engineered. Reverse engineering is not a bad thing and quite often you end up with tighter tolerances. LMT has a military contract and I agree fit and finish is great. You are wrong about Colt when you list it with DPMS. DPMS is well, not very good quality.

I have seen old Colt SP-1's shoot well over 50,000 rounds without a barrel replacement. Sure there's gonna be bolts and rings replaced during that time, but it's a great accomplishment to get that many rounds out of a service rifle.

I've built rifles using Aero Precision receivers and they are good to go. I believe they are made by a division of Boeing aircraft.
 
HA!!! :-laf Yeah, there have been many improvments. Mostly with bullets and powder. The LMTs are not worth it to me, unless I were going somewhere into harm's way. The Armalite's are my personal favorite, but that's in the AR10s, . 308 or . 243. The Olympic . 243WSSM I traded for is wearing on me. I like the heck out of it, and I've been pretty lethal with it the last few months. It's on the AR15 platform, so it's lighter than the AR10s I've got... . Still lighter is the AR15 I just built, but not gotten zeroed, yet... . I think if you got your hands on one, you might enjoy feeding it. :D



LMT's end products have a lot to do with their customer's order. I think the material will depend on what the end use will be, and how cheap the customer wants to go..... :( I'm not sure what they're using for their own rifles, but I've seen some that have been to Hell via Ramadi and Fallujah, and they've held up fantasticly. But then, I've seen some DPMS stuff that's been carried by Army and it's held up well, too, considering what it is. The internals make a lot of difference, as well as the assembly. The LMT labeled product is no doubt the best I've seen in mass usage as far as tolerances, but the Armalite products, while not as fine finished, they are fine weapons. The AR10 I carried under contract I still have, though it's changed quite a bit. I still have the shorter barrel and stocks, but it's set up as a long range . 260Rem right now.



At one point, we were given select-fire options in weapons, given you passed quals for it's use. Those were DMPS lowers mostly, but you might find anything inside. They were junk. I never had one fail, but I had very few engagements where I actually used it..... I'd hate to see our soldiers carrying anything that junky around. There were quite a few that came in trashed, mostly from lack of care. I tested mine every few days, checking zero and function, and cleaned it every weekend before I did ANYTHING else. Of course, we were mixed with our time, so when it was slow, I'd field strip and clean mine if it needed it. I finally got our boss to let me carry my AR10, and I felt a lot better. A lot of the guys would mention how they liked the fact I was carrying it, as well as any servicemen entering the rec centers or off-duty quarters. I think they just liked the fact it was a larger cal and they KNEW it would put down anything it hit... . maybe I was compensating for something :-laf Made me feel special, anyway.....
 
Last edited:
Colt seems to be standard by which all others are judged. Keep in mind, Colt has military contracts and because of this they build rifles based on government spec. blue prints. Most all other black rifles are considered non-mil-spec because they don't have a military contract and they are therefore reverse engineered. Reverse engineering is not a bad thing and quite often you end up with tighter tolerances. LMT has a military contract and I agree fit and finish is great. You are wrong about Colt when you list it with DPMS. DPMS is well, not very good quality.



I have seen old Colt SP-1's shoot well over 50,000 rounds without a barrel replacement. Sure there's gonna be bolts and rings replaced during that time, but it's a great accomplishment to get that many rounds out of a service rifle.



I've built rifles using Aero Precision receivers and they are good to go. I believe they are made by a division of Boeing aircraft.



My estimation of Colt's are based on what I saw of their field breakage. When they don't hold up any better in the field than a commercial grade firearm, I don't think they're very good. Yes, they are a government supplier and there are literally a thousand tons of them out there. But so is DPMS. Granted, they don't have the massive contracts across the spectrum, but they're still out there. My point is the proof is in the end survival of components. And perhaps I was just seeing the worn out and abused parts that hailed from across the country, but there sure are a lot of failures..... :( I'd wager the weapons they used in Army trials was a much better weapon than what's being produced for our soldiers. Sadly, that's the nature of business, for some.



Aero Precision Mfg LLC is owned by the Dillon family and their companies.
 
Well, I did a search and came up with LMT uppers in two offerings are Forged receivers. What alloy in doesnt say. Lowers have no information at all, forged or billet, alloy.
I do like the piston operated AR's!
GregH
 
Last edited by a moderator:
dresslered, I deal LMT. Let me know if you need anything, I discount heavily. :)
I've had a few sales here on TDR, maybe some of those guys will chime in.
I do NOT however have an FFL, so no lowers.
 
Patriot,

I might be interested (as well as a couple of friends). The local shop is charging retail, but that is what us Kalifornians usually have to pay. I am currently looking at some different toys as well. So could I order 'complete' with the exception of the lowers?
 
I know I'm late to this discussion, but I thought I'd throw in a couple of cents worth. If I were to buy an AR now, I would also consider a BCM rifle. Bravo Company MFG really has some nice products comparable IMHO to LMT.

www.bravocompanyUSA.com
 
I'm very happy with both LMT & KA (. 223 with iron sights. ). No experience with other manufacturers though, just did my homework.
 
Back
Top