Well guys i have to face it here. I am coming to the conclusion that I need more room. I have been looking at a new chevy suburban. With four in my family, and one on the way my truck has been getting small lately. I still want to be able to tow, and with a properly equiped suburban with 8. 1 and 4. 10s its rated at 12000 lbs. The new Dodge is out, wont even think about a ford, so whats left. Any way with no intrest its kind of tempting. Im still thinking about it, any body have any experiance with this rig positives and negatives... . Dodge Needs four real DOORS