lorenz suspension question

[AEdelheit]

And here goes the shot slinging.

Hahahhaa compared to your BS? You just posted a novel admiting your product Isint good enough for you to financially survive on, yet the other 3 "big hitters" have "all there eggs in one basket" and are very successful. So I ask again, where's your progression? What have you been up too? What's the latest shock valving?

 

[Lorenz]

There's quite a bit there guys.

Ill sum it up by saying I'm in the same place I've been for almost a decade, my customers have been able to get ahold of me and have bought 100's of Suspension Systems over the last couple of years, some of them are right here in this thread. I'm sorry you though we were out of business because I no longer choose to go to the desert with you 3 guys and the rest of the Carli crowd.

The charge with regards to progress, refers to strapping on bigger shocks to tackle taller jumps and taller whoops at ridiculous rates of speed? You're right, I've made it a point to remove my company from that risk, I feel that market got out of control, due in mostly to you guys. I don't want to sell components to wanna-be racers that try to skip whoops and fly their non caged trucks 50' in the air in order to one up each other. Ill left that niche' to the other guys. Been there done that, as a matter of fact, you saw NTG's Truck in this issue of Deisel Power Magazine, right? I'm not too comfortable with the rates of speed you guys have been running whenever you guys head out to the desert.

Save it for a real race car with a cage.

 

[AEdelheit]

So reading between the lines : I came up with something 10 years ago, lucky my customers had never ridden in a competitors trucks to know any better , so ill keep doing what I'm doing?


Congrats! Most people couldn't pull that off!

 

[AEdelheit]

So reading between the lines : I came up with something 10 years ago, lucky my customers had never ridden in a competitors trucks to know any better , so ill keep doing what I'm doing?





Congrats! Most people couldn't pull that off!

 

[Bob4x4]

Congrats! Most people couldn't pull that off!

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[megacabcummins]

I don't want to sell components to wanna-be racers that try to skip whoops and fly their non caged trucks 50' in the air in order to one up each other. Ill left that niche' to the other guys. Been there done that, as a matter of fact, you saw NTG's Truck in this issue of Deisel Power Magazine, right? I'm not too comfortable with the rates of speed you guys have been running whenever you guys head out to the desert.



Save it for a real race car with a cage.

We can jump our trucks 50' in the air? SWEET !!!!!



That was a really good issue of DIESEL Power Magazine...

 

[Lorenz]

I forgot Bob, jog my memory.

Was I pulling your truck out of the dunes, its equipped with a $10,000+ obnoxiously expensive Carli suspension kit right? Or was it Avi's Carli equipped truck that was tied to the other end of the tow strap? His truck was built similar to the trucks in the article above it cost more than a LORENZ System and didn't perform as well, per the article. Both of your guys Suspension Systems pulled me down with you, literally and financially speaking. The picture you posted tells us this much.


What's the run down on your truck Bob?
$7100 Carli 3. 0 King system for a 5. 9
$850 Carli front bumps
$850 Carli air bags
$704 tax
$100's in shipping
$100's in a labor for the install
----------------------
Total Carli Equipped Suspension kit stuck in the sand

$10,000 - $11,000











Pulled out of a hole by a LORENZindustries Truck equipped truck and $250 Paddles







PRICELESS








(Carli, you may want to talk to your fan boys, they're digging themselves a hole with your name attached to the end of the rope)

 

[megacabcummins]

The picture looks like your truck is stuck, not the other way around. And you really expect people to believe your truck with the glorified leveling kit out performed another truck with a Carli 3. 0 system on it? REALLY? I almost bought your system awhile back, after seeing what you posted and how out of touch with the industry you are I am glad I did not. People asked you direct questions and all you did was take pot shots at Sage and quote a 5 year old article, not to mention reply to an 8 month old post.

 

[Lorenz]

And here I thought I was defending myself against the Carli crowd. It's 4 on 1 at this point, do you really want to accuse me of throwing the first punch, remember I was the guy that was on the recieving end of "doing this as a side gig" back on page 1 of the thread.

- Page 2 starts out with me writing out the reality and facts about the Off Road Industry.

- It moves to me being a meanie and pointing to a magazine article where in I beat Carli and Kore with a cheaper Suspension System.

-I foretell the shot slinging, and the Carli Boys, true to character, round up the troop and start the frenzy.

- A move to discredit the article ensued
- It was a "joke" per BoB.
- It's old per AEdelheit

- Bob, Carli's right hand man, who worked in Carli's shop after being let go from Dodge, slanders me with an accusation about running through a camp in Glamis. (As he tells the story I would be the next American Terrorist running down Woman and Children while slaughtering their motohomes in the process) It's pretty obvious people don't set up camp on top of sand highway in the middle of a trail full of whoops. Bob discredits himself and his accusation moves to posting pictures.

- I'm acused of not doing anything for 5 years. (I've sold hundreds of kits in that time and I'll take the time to point out our evolution, when this thread manages to get refocused)

- I'm accused of not being able to survive as a business by a Carli Fan Boy.

- I'm accused of not having informed customers and not being informed myself. The fact is, I was the only guy who stepped out of my own truck on that Glamis trip years ago and:
1) I rode with Don Thuren for hours in his personal truck, he kick himself for not doing the same.
2) I rode in Carli's truck that was owned by his employee and was the test bed for the best of the best Carli had to offer. (I later spanked that truck that weekend, in a knee jerk "race to the hill" on a $1 bet. He was in his $40,000 RAM with a $10,000+ Carli Suspension, I was on a $800, child's air cooled motorcycle, a Honda xr100. My wife used it to putt around camp on. I still didn't get my $1 to this day, but the story im left with makes up for the non-payment)
3) I Rode with Joe NTG and KORE's right hand man. Joe is no longer running kore components, he's running my coils. He sells all of the brands of suspension out of his shop, and choses to run my stuff and FOX Shocks. He show cased his in this months Deisel Power Magazine when he made your "Jaws hit the Floor". He was with the Carli Fan club in the desert last month for the trip... . I chose not to go because you guys drive like Speedy Gonzales on public dirt roads. I'll pass.

So yes, I'm informed, my customers are informed, but most of all, the guys like NTG and RPM Motorsports choose to run my coils on their personal trucks and their Race trucks in Baja. As a matter of fact, I have the only DODGE Ram Coil that has a SCORE Baja Points Championship under it's belt along with multiple Baja 1000, Baja 500, and San Felipe 250 race wins. Thank you RPM Motorsports.

- Bob throws up a Photo he took of me buried to the axles trying to pull him or Avi out... Both Carli guys. I didn't understand Bob's point, but used the damming photo to show how $10,000 in Suspension is over the top.

-megacabcummins is a hero and points out a misspelled word to my shegrin.

- megacabcummins accuses me of only taking potshots. He missed the now 4 on 1 fit that he and his Carli buddies are engaged in.

 

[Lorenz]

Will the drama continue, or can move on?

 

[megacabcummins]

Not a hero at all but you would think a guy who is a "mainstay" in the diesel industry would know how to spell the the word correctly. Just sayin...
And I have ZERO Carli parts on my truck... No wait I take that back, I have Carli limit straps...
It wasn't the "Carli" guys jaws that hit the floor it was the dude from Diesel Power that wrote the article...
I did not say that no one had taken pot shots at you, but when you open up an 8 month old thread, then you poked the bear... The thread would have died had you not opened it back up...
And this in reality has nothing to do with me sticking up for the Carli fan boys as you like to call them, more like my DTX brothers, none of us really care what suspension or truck a guy is running as long as he is out doing what he loves with his truck... EVEN if the guy is running your stuff, funny thing is, I cannot think of anyone on DTX that runs your stuff (though I am sure there are), but your welcome to come change that...
And you're always welcome to come hang with us, not ALL of us run at Mach 7 as you seem to think... So if you want to continue to lump all of us into one category, cool... No skin off my back man...

 

[AEdelheit]

Oh that's Classic Sean, you try to play the "being bullied" card and cry that its 4 to 1 to defend yourself?? If Mr Miller was so happy with your suspension from that test why has he been though 4 kits since then, none of them being yours? He is currently very happy with his Thuren 2. 5 kit and doesnt seem to think to highly of your stuff. Oh and dont worry , Don has ridden in trucks with your kit on them since that trip aswell.



I find it funny you think progression means putting on bigger shocks and jumping a truck, to me it means a better all around ride and better components. If you truly think that your shock valving and spring rates cant be improved then I feel even worse for anyone who has your stuff, you wont find many pictures of my truck jumping, doesn't mean I don't benefit from better valving. Oh actually there is a picture of my mega cab with all 4 tires inn the air, but wait that had YOUR suspension on it, even better, people in the same run stayed planted on the ground thanks to there shocks valving while my truck was all over the place.



Its interesting how many trucks under your customer build section no longer have your suspension yet there still on your website, kinda like that flyer for a wrench and dyno day from 2007. Its apparent your not willing to take the time to update anything , you really do live in the past dont ya?



For the record im not affiliated with Carli in any way, Its Hilarius how you think anyone with a suspension other then yours is a Carli fan boy, using that logic since you put bible quotes on your website you are fanboy of Republican Senator James Inhofe and think gravity is a Hoax.



Now just so you know I agree with you that many of these trucks should have cages and may be too well built for there own good, If you just said that you wanted to sell mild kits and weren't interested in pursuing other areas of off road use I wouldnt care, but you had to go and take shots at other companies and spew utter crap, that was not a good idea! We all know getting stuck in the sand does not have much to do with suspension so any comparison of suspension on a truck in the sand is a joke, weather its Carli, Thuren, Lorenz, Kore, ect. Perhaps other companies are "obnoxiously expensive" because they put money into R&D and making a better product for there customer.

 

[megacabcummins]

Yea I agree on cages as well putting one in my truck has been on my list since OW, trying to figure out how to get one into the mega and still have somewhat of a useable interior will be a challenge.

 

[Bob4x4]

I forgot Bob, jog my memory.



Was I pulling your truck out of the dunes, its equipped with a $10,000+ obnoxiously expensive Carli suspension kit right? Or was it Avi's Carli equipped truck that was tied to the other end of the tow strap? His truck was built similar to the trucks in the article above it cost more than a LORENZ System and didn't perform as well, per the article. Both of your guys Suspension Systems pulled me down with you, literally and financially speaking. The picture you posted tells us this much.





What's the run down on your truck Bob?

$7100 Carli 3. 0 King system for a 5. 9

$850 Carli front bumps

$850 Carli air bags

$704 tax

$100's in shipping

$100's in a labor for the install

----------------------

Total Carli Equipped Suspension kit stuck in the sand



$10,000 - $11,000























Pulled out of a hole by a LORENZindustries Truck equipped truck and $250 Paddles















PRICELESS

















(Carli, you may want to talk to your fan boys, they're digging themselves a hole with your name attached to the end of the rope)

Lorenzo it sounds like your memory is failing just like your 225's. that was jake you were trying to pull out so foolishly with his super lift Iirc. You have never pulled me out and I have never been stuck at Glamis. I also had a kore Race kit on my truck which you should remember since you were under my truck taking pictures of it

 

[AEdelheit]

Hey Bob, IIRC didint you also pull Sean out from this mess, then hook to his trailer and pull that out too?????

#ad

 

[Bob4x4]

And here I thought I was defending myself against the Carli crowd. It's 4 on 1 at this point, do you really want to accuse me of throwing the first punch, remember I was the guy that was on the recieving end of "doing this as a side gig" back on page 1 of the thread.



- Page 2 starts out with me writing out the reality and facts about the Off Road Industry.



- It moves to me being a meanie and pointing to a magazine article where in I beat Carli and Kore with a cheaper Suspension System.



-I foretell the shot slinging, and the Carli Boys, true to character, round up the troop and start the frenzy.



- A move to discredit the article ensued

- It was a "joke" per BoB.

- It's old per AEdelheit



- Bob, Carli's right hand man, who worked in Carli's shop after being let go from Dodge, slanders me with an accusation about running through a camp in Glamis. (As he tells the story I would be the next American Terrorist running down Woman and Children while slaughtering their motohomes in the process) It's pretty obvious people don't set up camp on top of sand highway in the middle of a trail full of whoops. Bob discredits himself and his accusation moves to posting pictures.



- I'm acused of not doing anything for 5 years. (I've sold hundreds of kits in that time and I'll take the time to point out our evolution, when this thread manages to get refocused)



- I'm accused of not being able to survive as a business by a Carli Fan Boy.



- I'm accused of not having informed customers and not being informed myself. The fact is, I was the only guy who stepped out of my own truck on that Glamis trip years ago and:

1) I rode with Don Thuren for hours in his personal truck, he kick himself for not doing the same.

2) I rode in Carli's truck that was owned by his employee and was the test bed for the best of the best Carli had to offer. (I later spanked that truck that weekend, in a knee jerk "race to the hill" on a $1 bet. He was in his $40,000 RAM with a $10,000+ Carli Suspension, I was on a $800, child's air cooled motorcycle, a Honda xr100. My wife used it to putt around camp on. I still didn't get my $1 to this day, but the story im left with makes up for the non-payment)

3) I Rode with Joe NTG and KORE's right hand man. Joe is no longer running kore components, he's running my coils. He sells all of the brands of suspension out of his shop, and choses to run my stuff and FOX Shocks. He show cased his in this months Deisel Power Magazine when he made your "Jaws hit the Floor". He was with the Carli Fan club in the desert last month for the trip... . I chose not to go because you guys drive like Speedy Gonzales on public dirt roads. I'll pass.



So yes, I'm informed, my customers are informed, but most of all, the guys like NTG and RPM Motorsports choose to run my coils on their personal trucks and their Race trucks in Baja. As a matter of fact, I have the only DODGE Ram Coil that has a SCORE Baja Points Championship under it's belt along with multiple Baja 1000, Baja 500, and San Felipe 250 race wins. Thank you RPM Motorsports.



- Bob throws up a Photo he took of me buried to the axles trying to pull him or Avi out... Both Carli guys. I didn't understand Bob's point, but used the damming photo to show how $10,000 in Suspension is over the top.



-megacabcummins is a hero and points out a misspelled word to my shegrin.



- megacabcummins accuses me of only taking potshots. He missed the now 4 on 1 fit that he and his Carli buddies are engaged in.

Once again you are talking out your behind.

I was never a Carli employee,I was never let go by Dodge. Avi pulled your sorry but out after you failed at moving Jake a single inch with your fender cut paddles. You never beat anyone to the hill but you did want to run through a signed 15mph zone that your wife videotaped. Grow up sean.

 

[Bob4x4]

I also do not think Joe was ever Kent's right hand man. you seem to be one of those holy roller types that bend the truth to fit your needs.

 

[Bob4x4]

Hey Bob, IIRC didint you also pull Sean out from this mess, then hook to his trailer and pull that out too?????



#ad

Yes that's the way we roll :-laf



Now I am going to bet sean comes back with a different twist,that is the way he rolls

 

[Lorenz]

Yea I agree on cages as well putting one in my truck has been on my list since OW, trying to figure out how to get one into the mega and still have somewhat of a useable interior will be a challenge.

You seem like one of the more reasonable guys on that side of the fence, and one of the few putting a cage in a full size Dodge. Inquiring minds want to ask how much $ do you have wrapped up into the suspension and cage work?

Good on you for making your truck safe.

 

[Lorenz]

You seem to be one of those holy roller types

After all of these years Bob, this is what's at the bottom of your passive aggressive remarks on the forums. I knew quoting the Bible on the front page of my website would tweek some body.