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I am able to do a comparison of both LORENZ and Kore systems because

I've had both under my truck and have put the same amount of miles on

each. By far the Lorenz 2. 5 system has gotten the job done and has been

trouble free. Lorenz springs are better (holding up from sagging) and

defiantly, the service is unmatched compared to kore.



Out here when we get rain it turns into a mud pit, after it dries the roads

become concrete solid. With all of the heavy Oilfield Rig traffic, tractors, and

full size trucks running through it, the roads become rutted, and the ruts

turn concrete tough after a couple of days of baking in the sun. Bottom

line the road conditions changed after the first rain. I called Sean

discussed what I was experiencing traveling the roads and how the suspension

was working. He suggested the adjustments we could make with valving to

accommodate the terrain I drive in. That day he had my new valving sent out

for me to install. And away I went smooth riding.



I travel anywhere from 200-350 miles off-road every day in North West

New Mexico for work. I'm a Oilfield Automation Tech. 5 days a week these suspensions

are/were put to the Real Test on the same truck. The Kore did not handle the

terrain like I wanted. After a lot of massaging, a couple o-ring changes, and more than one valve job I sold the Kore "Race" kit. Here's a link to the story/soap opera from a couple months back. https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156197 I pocketed some cash,and bought the Lorenz 2. 5 setup. I have not been disappointed yet with this Lorenz setup. So far I have had the Lorenz 2. 5 setup for 43,000 hard off road miles and it is working like a proven suspension for me. The longevity

has been there with this system and it's proven it's self.



I recently bought another truck that will be getting Lorenz new 2. 25

setup. Since this truck will not come close to seeing the off-road miles my

work truck gets, the 2. 25 system should fit the bill for when I do want to

go play, hunt, and have fun outdoors with the truck.



You can not go wrong with Lorenz in my opinion, my daily off

roading experience over the past year has proven it.
 
Troll!

Just kidding. . ;) I appreciate the review since this will be an eventual mod on my truck... just waiting for someone to perfect it. . oh wait, make that just waiting for my wallet to be able to handle it. Make sure you take the new truck to work a few times so you can let us know how you like the 2. 25 system in comparison to the 2. 5.
 
Lorenz

Lorenz provided the 2. 25 setup for my application and it's been great so far! The mini-paks are holding the weight of my camper much better than a competitor's product did when installed on my '99 in 2000. The 23% coils in front are not much longer than stock but compress far less and provided approx. 1 3/4-2" of lift. He revalved the 2. 25's for my 24/7 camper weight of 2000#. I can't climb sand dunes or rip down the dirt roads like a young guy with a fat wallet,but this system works well for me. If I ever off the camper some day,the I. R. coils will be next. Due to the camper,I elected to limit the lift,thus keeping my center of gravity lower.
 
I plan on going with the Lorenz kit soon as well. I'd be interested in your feedback on the 2. 5 vs 2. 25 kits... keep us updated! --Eric
 
I plan on going with the Lorenz kit soon as well. I'd be interested in your feedback on the 2. 5 vs 2. 25 kits... keep us updated! --Eric



Defiantly, I will give an update/review on how the 2. 25 system works for me after I get some miles on it.
 
I just put a Kore Chase on the 06. I seriously considered Sean's stuff. There are few things KORE has that Lorenz and Cali don't have yet:



1) With Kore you can get the 2. 0s with urethane bushings. I think this is great. The older Blistein 7100 system on the 01 had heim joints. I don't care for them on my truck. They knocked and clunked from day one and were wore out in 2 years. I just got around to putting in some urethane bushings in on the 7100s and it is some much better. Heims are good for a race or recreation truck, but for a daily driver, I like the bushings. So far, Kore is the only one to offer that. I wasn't sure Lorenz' towers would except the after- market bushings.



2) The Chase group uses the stock front towers, which saves a lot of $$.



I also prefer KOREs front springs but that's just me.



I have been somewhat disappointed in KORE business practices and some consumer issues discussed else where on this board. This is one reason I seriously considered Sean's stuff. But my personal experience with KORE has been very good. So to each his own. Sounds like you guys are very happy with Lorenz. That's great. Competition is good. I just present this as my impressions from comparative shopping.



One things we all need to realize is that us CTD owner's have some great suspension systems available for our trucks. I'm not aware of any other vehicle on the road that you could go out and buy this level of suspension performance off the shelf. Heck besides the CTD, these suspensions are one of the best reasons to own a Dodge.



BTW, The new KORE stuff is waaay better than the old stuff.
 
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One things we all need to realize is that us CTD owner's have some great suspension systems available for our trucks. I'm not aware of any other vehicle on the road that you could go out and buy this level of suspension performance off the shelf. Heck besides the CTD, these suspensions are one of the best reasons to own a Dodge.



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Actually there are some very good suspensions out there for both Fords and Toyotas. I haven't seen the latest nissan stuff in action so I can't comment there.



Bob
 
I AGREE 100% with you Tinman that Dodge trucks do have the best working suspensions offered to them ("working" meaning designed for actual offered use).



The older Blistein 7100 system on the 01 had heim joints. I don't care for them on my truck. They knocked and clunked from day one and were wore out in 2 years. I just got around to putting in some urethane bushings in on the 7100s and it is some much better. Heims are good for a race or recreation truck, but for a daily driver, I like the bushings. So far, Kore is the only one to offer that.



You say the heim joints were clanking & clunking, I wonder if you did not have the correct mis-alignment spacers for those shocks? Not having the correct spacing will cause them to hit the sides of the mounts when the suspension is cycling.
 
I took my new truck out to the hills this past weekend for a little fun in the sun, OMG is it terrible to drive offroad. I normally run the same roads in my other truck with the 2. 5 system around 60 mph or faster, I was lucky to reach 30 mph with the new truck with the stock suspension, mostly between 20 to 30 mph. I spent most of the day fish tailing & bouncing around the cab of the truck, I can't remember ever fish tailing that much in a day. I can not wait till my 2. 25 system gets in and get that bad boy installed. It is ordered and on its way. I wanted to get some miles on the stock suspension for my comparison/review before the 2. 25 is installed. Running roads like those with a stock suspension sure does make me appreciate how well the 2. 5 system works for me. It is like night & day. I will post up a reveiw of the 2. 25 in the near future.



jtnm
 
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Yeah, the stock suspension (on anything) stinks. Hard to tolerate riding in anything else once you have experienced "real" suspension. I'm trying to figure a way to get some good shocks on my wife's Liberty.



I didn't have any lateral play in the bushings on the Heim joints. 3 of the 4 where OK for about to 2 years then they got loose. One was loose from day one and I replaced it without help. Every thing seemed tight when it went together but it would have some play when I drove it. Everything is nice and tight since putting in some urethane bushings.
 
Heims

Yeah, the stock suspension (on anything) stinks. Hard to tolerate riding in anything else once you have experienced "real" suspension. I'm trying to figure a way to get some good shocks on my wife's Liberty.



I didn't have any lateral play in the bushings on the Heim joints. 3 of the 4 where OK for about to 2 years then they got loose. One was loose from day one and I replaced it without help. Every thing seemed tight when it went together but it would have some play when I drove it. Everything is nice and tight since putting in some urethane bushings.



I had the Chase system in my '99 and I developed a metal to metal feeling in the right front side of my truck that I feel now was a defective heim joint. I hope my Lorenz setup holds up better. I do like Kore's option of the stem mount Fox's.
 
I am able to do a comparison of both LORENZ and Kore systems because

I've had both under my truck and have put the same amount of miles on

each. By far the Lorenz 2. 5 system has gotten the job done and has been

trouble free. Lorenz springs are better (holding up from sagging) and

defiantly, the service is unmatched compared to kore.



Out here when we get rain it turns into a mud pit, after it dries the roads

become concrete solid. With all of the heavy Oilfield Rig traffic, tractors, and

full size trucks running through it, the roads become rutted, and the ruts

turn concrete tough after a couple of days of baking in the sun. Bottom

line the road conditions changed after the first rain. I called Sean

discussed what I was experiencing traveling the roads and how the suspension

was working. He suggested the adjustments we could make with valving to

accommodate the terrain I drive in. That day he had my new valving sent out

for me to install. And away I went smooth riding.



I travel anywhere from 200-350 miles off-road every day in North West

New Mexico for work. I'm a Oilfield Automation Tech. 5 days a week these suspensions

are/were put to the Real Test on the same truck. The Kore did not handle the

terrain like I wanted. After a lot of massaging, a couple o-ring changes, and more than one valve job I sold the Kore "Race" kit. Here's a link to the story/soap opera from a couple months back. https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156197 I pocketed some cash,and bought the Lorenz 2. 5 setup. I have not been disappointed yet with this Lorenz setup. So far I have had the Lorenz 2. 5 setup for 43,000 hard off road miles and it is working like a proven suspension for me. The longevity

has been there with this system and it's proven it's self.



I recently bought another truck that will be getting Lorenz new 2. 25

setup. Since this truck will not come close to seeing the off-road miles my

work truck gets, the 2. 25 system should fit the bill for when I do want to

go play, hunt, and have fun outdoors with the truck.



You can not go wrong with Lorenz in my opinion, my daily off

roading experience over the past year has proven it.



Like the old saying goes, you must compare apples to apples. Sean is a great guy and has a great system. But there is no way his 2. 25 system will take the abuse that the Kore Chase system can handle. By the way I have pictures and "real world experience" installing one of his 2. 25 systems. It did not go flawlessly, but I will leave it at that. It is a good street system at best. I have been racing stock full and class 8 trucks long enough to know how a good desert truck should perform. I would fade the SAW 2. 25's in about twenty minutes. No replacement for displacement. I have installed 100's of Kore VR coils and yet to see one sag or start to rust. The Lorenz coils I saw looked like they had the same finish as the factory ones. I know a suspension system shouldn't be based on looks but come on, all of Kore's components have coatings on them so they still look nice over time. Kore takes pride in providing systems that have the looks, attention to detail, and the performance qualities that put them over the top in the suspension arena right out of the box, hands down. And they only work that much better when you tune them for your own personal driving skills. And why didn't his valving right out of the box work for you? You still had to re-valve. I would love to see what you consider "hard off-road miles". My old Kore 2. 5 Race system is flawless. It goes beyond the call of duty on how I expect a suspension system to perform on these Dodge trucks. My guess is that there are a few of you out there that just can't drive your trucks good enough to know how good it can really work. I am trying to stay positive about this post but the there is no way that the Kore products are inferior to anything out there. I have been doing this too long to know better.
 
I have installed 100's of Kore VR coils and yet to see one sag or start to rust. The Lorenz coils I saw looked like they had the same finish as the factory ones. I know a suspension system shouldn't be based on looks but come on, all of Kore's components have coatings on them so they still look nice over time.



Jason, will you replace under warranty my rusted KORE coils?
 
I still can't tell how Kore made those shocks leak. Are you sure you had them charged at full droop before you ran them? Sorry they leaked, I guess the guys at fox are human. Do you want to see a picture of mine with 75K on them? I assure you they are dry. Kore has less than a one percent comeback rate on leaky shocks, in the automotive industry that is excellent. Again sorry you were a victim of statistics. Seeing your pictures again will not make me sell my system. I can also assure you that most desert race vehicles stay away from SAW shocks due to their leak factor. I can't begin to tell you how many of my friends started with SAWs and sold them for Foxes or Kings. Again just my experience.
 
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