Low Sulfur Warning

[nps]

To me, the quotes posted by members here lifted from EPA and oil company mouthpieces is no better or reliable than that of any other shill promoting his own grand product or gadget - you know, the one he stands to get rich off of...

Come on now Gary - be nice. I didn't see anything worthy of a 'shill' label on this thread.

 

[gitchesum]

To me, the quotes posted by members here lifted from EPA and oil company mouthpieces is no better or reliable than that of any other shill promoting his own grand product or gadget - you know, the one he stands to get rich off of...

Should I take that as a personal shot at my character Gary? I probably shouldn't since I sure ain't getting rich off ULSD.



Perhaps you should also remember that these "mouthpiece" members also drive the same $30K-$40K truck and will have to use the same ULSD as everyone else(and pay the same price for it as well).



Perhaps we are confindent enough in our business plan that we(or maybe just me) will run ULSD without buying any fuel additive.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Should I take that as a personal shot at my character Gary? I probably shouldn't since I sure ain't getting rich off ULSD.



Perhaps you should also remember that these "mouthpiece" members also drive the same $30K-$40K truck and will have to use the same ULSD as everyone else(and pay the same price for it as well).



Perhaps we are confindent enough in our business plan that we(or maybe just me) will run ULSD without buying any fuel additive.

HMMmmm - where in that post or quote was your name mentioned?



Nope Curtis - I think my comment was plainly enough intended to point out that glowing comments from those SELLING or otherwise promoting a specific item just MIGHT be sorta suspect in terms of total objectivity - Slick 50 and those miraculous fuel line magnets come to mind as examples.



I personally am distrustful of many of the claims made by advertisers on TV for various products as well - how about you?



You'd have to be VERY insecure or thin-skinned to take offense or assume I was making a personally pointed comment directly to you, as opposed to an industry or industries as it was intended...



Nor have I made direct personal urgings that all others should, or must use the same steps I do to provide the fuel improvements I am not prepared to trust to the EPA or oil companies - this is a *discussion group*, with the pro/con, and sometimes conflicting personal observations and comments of those participating, nothing personal - OK?

 

[Texas Diesel]

Here we go again, the same bonehead trolling for trouble. Some people just have to yap even if they have nothing to say. With the same MO, petty sarcasim and no brains type of comments. Life must be rough living with an IQ of 7.

 

[Champane Flight]

Agreed

I'm not at home at the moment - we're at our daughter and family's home out 600 miles away, and will be for another couple of weeks. I do have supporting info back in my own PC - and otherwise, can only judge and present likelihood of what might happen in the future based upon what I/we have experienced in the past.



Bosch a few years ago released a California Air Resources Board related document that well and thoroughly established the adverse effects of the current "excellent, high quality" fuels we consumers were getting at the pump - and the picture was VERY grim - a full 85% of random stations in California they sampled and analyzed FAILED basic tests for purity and lubricity.



Added to that, was the fuel system damage and seal failures that sidelined many commercial trucks during the early days of that same fuel.



I personally don't expect a whole lot different from this latest "improvement", at least as to what the consumer actually sees and pays for at the pump...



A bit further back, in the early '90's, the reformulated gasoline we were forced to accept damaged fuel delivery systems in many vehicles - and the EPA was on record as fully acknowledging they KNEW this would be the damaging effect on many vehicles. but they didn't CARE, as long as they got the fuel they wanted.



I had direct, personal experience with that "latest and greatest" fuel change, since I had just sold my '85 vette to my sister in law - and after a few tanks of the new reformulated gasoline, damaged fuel system hoses and seals clogged all 8 injector, requiring system and injector replacements totalling about $2000.



I had a very hard time convincing her that the problem was not a defective vette I had palmed off on her, but rather the damaging effects of the new gasoline I had no control over.



To me, the quotes posted by members here lifted from EPA and oil company mouthpieces is no better or reliable than that of any other shill promoting his own grand product or gadget - you know, the one he stands to get rich off of...



The only thing really in our favor, is the knowledge gained from past similar experiences, and the availability of decent products that can counter the possible and expected downside of the new ULSD.



I, for one, intend to plan and act accordingly.

I agree with Gary, I am only taking the word of the so-called experts in fuel technology. They have been known to make mistakes, I am certainly not taking their actions and dialog as gospel, and I have worked for the same oil company for twenty plus years. I have disagreed with their actions for years, that is one reason I am still a lowly Yardman... ... :-laf

 

[nps]

CF - you old shill. Back to the yard! :-laf

 

[obert]

Wow! Lots to read after a short weekend away... .....



Im keepin an eye here for several reasons. Thanks for the insight guys.

 

[gitchesum]

Just jerkin your chain a little Gary. You can't be a mod here as long as I have with thin skin, I've learned that much so far.



Tel ya what CF, if I could be lowly yard hand in Higher Plains Colorado, I would stay there as long as I could to.



Nomex and Gulf Coast weather are the reason I'm in the pipeline control center. :-laf

 

[Champane Flight]

Control

I controlled for around four years, then they moved controls to OK for a centralization move. I was offered a move in 91, turned it down. Could not face a set of computer screens for twelve hours a day, six or seven days a week (scheduled by sadistic trolls who live in basement :-laf ). This is my office now, I enjoy it much more. Nomex and 100' temps can only take a little weight off here and there... . :-laf Take plenty of water... Keep the intake down and your discharge up.



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[dpuckett]

I am so jealous of your office, CF. Great view. Doubt you have many horseflies or mosquitoes, do you? Nor humididty. GOTTA get my girlfriend convined life is better out west at 6-8K ft.



I have been keeping an eye on this thread and lots of others similar to it- I have a 92 with an original (as far as I know) VE. Fuel seals will leak, possibly dumping fuel where I dont want it, from what I gather. It is a good excuse for a rebuild and some hopping up, but I still dont like the govt being in that tight control over what I run in my truck. And prior experience tells me that the owner is responsible for damage caused by their excessively strict regulations on fuel content. What ever happened to reducing our dependency on foreign oil through higher MPGs? I remember cars 15years ago getting in the mid 30MPG range. I have no doubt that if we roled the new technology to 1994 or 98 standards, we'd see 25-30mpg in full size trucks.



I'm still not much better informed than I was three weeks ago when I found this thread. What other effects can the new fuel have besides the older rubber seals not being compatible with the lower aromatics in the ULSD?



Daniel

 

[Champane Flight]

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This time of year (was just down at that site last week) it gets pretty buggy, and hot. If there is a breeze it isn't too bad, you just have to take plenty of water. Not much humidity, a whole buch of heat, around 104' Friday. Altitude at this picture is around 4000'.



Our main concern at this time is mantaining lubricity and conductivity additive injection. Conductivity is a real concern, we cannot even turn on sales until fuel sits after reciept for at least an hour. Static discharge is quite the little hair raiser! We will not even be injecting our additives until fuel reaches dock! Concern over situation has got us trying to get additives done at refinery instead of after three hundred mile journey via pipeline. It may be a real concern at the pump if additive injection fails at terminal, and we miss a load or two! We have many fail safes in place, but someone bypassing to get a load out may have disasterous effects.



I am going to put a little more additives in my tank for awhile. We will see. .

 

[nuv22]

here is a picture of the sign at the pump.

here is a picture of the sign at the pump.

 

[rweis]

Stanadyne PF, always have, always will.



Wonder what the "new" mix rate will be?



Use to be 8oz for 30 gallons.



Bob Weis

 

[Warpig]

Lube the VP44

I am about to replace my Injection Pump that is failing at 63000 miles. FP was not an issue as I have had a FASS since around 20000 miles (no lp issues). Why it died, who knows. I have never added fuel additive, maybe I should have. Since you guys have knowledge of fuel, what is the best additive to add for lubricity?



Thanks,



Tim W.

 

[rweis]

There are a lot of options on fuel additives. Some make up their own from various oils, then there are several commercial products. Each swears by their choice that it is the right choice.



That said, I use Stanadyne Performance Formula. I use it for reasons other than lubricity, but lubricity is one of the reasons. I get it in 5 gallon cans to help keep the cost down.



Bob Weis



I lost my 02 VP at 53k. I think there are operational environment problems in the 02 for the VP and have done a great deal in cooling the fuel, and in cooling the VP during engine run and after engine shutdown. My . 02

 

[RKelly]

vp44 still alive

Counting my lucky stars too. After 190k miles my VP44 is hummin right along. But, after seeing the LOW SULFER FUEL WARNING sticker on the pump last week I immiedetly started having nightmares of the VP44 frying. Today I will go find some additive (which I almost never use) which will hopefully boost lubrication. Maybe it's just me being overly nervous, but how do I know FOR SURE the fuel I'm buying has any lubricity increasing additives? Maybe no way of knowing... .

 

[rrausch]

I just bought U. L Sulpher fuel this morning. I put about 22 gallons in my 45-gal aux. tank which already had a mixture of L. Sulpher and Soybean oil from Costco. The ratio in my aux tank is about 20% soy to 80% #2 diesel.

 

[6naline01]

What additive will give the ULSD the proper lubricity for CTD. Thanksin advance, 6

 

[Champane Flight]

It has it.

ULSD should have everything it needs to perform well in the CTD, or any other diesel on the market. Lubricity and conductivity additives are added before the pumps. If you feel you need more, there are several additives on the market. Power service, Amsoil, and others come to mind.

 

[rbattelle]

Remember that as little as 2% biodiesel replaces the lubricity lost due to sulphur extraction. I run B10 (commercial grade).



-Ryan