LubeGard-Sam Memmolo

[LDusky]

Sam at Crank & Chrome is always recommending Lubegard Auto Trans Protectant. Any comments on the benefits? I use Lubegard LSD juice and it seems to do the job.

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98 24V QC, AT 4wd,4:10 LSD,Driftwood w/leather. Boost, Pyro and Trans temp gauges. X-Line Bed liner. TC lockup switch. BD E-Brake & PressureLoc

 

[Sled Puller]

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at Sam!
Just my opinion!

Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com

 

[Cooker]

It's not just Sam that believes in this product, but I have spoken with at least a dozen transmission guys who feel Lubeguard is a great product.

Gene wouldn't like it because it doesn't say Amsoil on the bottle. Ryan

(Gene, not a slam, just trying to make a joke as I know you are a big beliver in Amsoil products. BTW I never did get the "special" email you promised me about Amsiol products)



[This message has been edited by Cooker (edited 02-23-2001). ]

 

[CCahill]

You guys with DTT's VB/TC, might want to talk to Bill K. , and his posse, he got some interesting things to say about Lubegard...

 

[Sled Puller]

Slam away!

One more note... .....

If your oil needs an additive, maybe you are not using the right oil!

Who sponsors Sam's show?
Gene

 

[John]

This ought to get you going Gene.....

I'm thinking of adding a bottle (or two) of Lubeguard to my AMSOIL Universal ATF (+4) to eliminate the slight TCC shuddering I experience every once in a while. BTW, I have a DTT 93% TC and medium+ (or so) VB. My transmission pressures have been checked and found to be on the high side of the allowable spectrum. I have NO internal pressure leaks... in fact, I have a BD modified front transmission pump that addresses this possible condition (further modified/enhanced by Bill Kondolay while I was having the DTT transmission upgrades made to my 47RE). In addition, I also experienced the same (slight, occasional) TCC shuddering with BD components (BD V10/Cummins hybrid TC, modified VB, Pressureloc and the modified front transmission pump) using Red Line synthetic (+3).

BOTTOM LINE: I want the protection of a synthetic ATF although, I have been informed by several transmission shops that non-synthetic ATFs (+3 and +4) generally experience less TCC shuddering when used with two bottles of Lubeguard (in the red bottle).

Any comments on any or all of this?

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John Treibel
'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4 Sport, Glasstite Vision II, 285 BFG A/Ts on M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares & tow hooks, NW Custom s/s-rubber mud flaps and accs. , Mag-Hytec diff. cover & trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Reese Titan V hitch, SPA gauges (3), Dynamat, '00 Sport grille and headlights/PIAA Super White bulbs, PIAA Dual Sport 900 aux. lights, BD exh. brake, Amsoil Dual Remote Bypass, Optima Yellow Tops, DD3s and DD TTPM, Aeroquip AQP braided s/s fuel hoses, Banks High-Ram intake manifold and 14 cm2 turbine housing w/Big Head wastegate actuator, ATS 3-piece exh. man. , Banks 4" dia. s/s exh. sys. , DTT 93% TC, DTT custom tuned VB, BD modified trans. front pump (enhanced by DTT), Air Bulldog induction hood (with NACA ducts), plus MANY other trick modifications

 

[RollCast]

Gene,

I am running Amsoil ATF... ... . the Lube Guard stopped the shudder the Amsoil didn't. I also like the fact Lube Guard is a synthetic also.

John,

I used 1 bottle of the RED Lube Guard, Works great.


Gary

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01' 2500 - QC/SB, ISB w/Auto, 4X4, 3. 54 LSD, Solid White - Westin Bars, A. R. E. Cap, Bug/Vent Sheilds, K&N Re-0880 Air Filter(Scotty), Autometer Ultralites Boost/EGT/Trans/Fuel, Custom 4" Exhaust, AutoTransformed DTT TC & VB, DD III's and DD Torque Module, HX-35 Turbo.


[*]TU Member
[*]NRA Member

 

[Sled Puller]

The only time I have ever heard about Amsoil and shuddering automatics, was the old NON ATF+4 in newer Chryslers. (wrong oil)

When something like this comes up, after all the facts are on the table, I doubt very much
it will be the oil's fault.
I suspect another problem, and the additive is band-aiding it for the time being.

Sort of like dumping 90w into a rapping engine.

Amsoil tech department needs to know about these things BEFORE you start down the voodoo additive road!
If you guys don't want to contact them, e-mail me your details and I'll do it.

I want to know what's going on as much as you guys.

Gene

 

[Mopar-muscle]

gene , can you or someone at amsoil explain how you can make 1 oil that is universal to work in place of 3 VERY different types of oil ? i looked at a bottle of universal type 4 last night and it said it could be used in place of dextron 3 , mercron , chrysler +3 +4 . and i think something else ... ????

how , mercron is a ford fluid that has less slip ( if you will ) than dextron 3 , which is less slippery than the chrysler +3 +4 , using the +3 +4 fluid in a trans not calling for it will cause a potential clutch pack slip . it would be like adding to much lubegard . the problem that chrysler is bandaiding is the shudder of the TC , but to much lubegard is going to cause slippage inside the trans i believe .

maybe i'm wrong and i'm sure someone will tell me that i am , but the GMs and Fords don't have a problem that needs to be masked with lubegard .

[This message has been edited by Mopar-muscle (edited 02-23-2001). ]

 

[John]

Sorry MGM, I absolutely know with 100% certainty that Amsoil ATF+4 (pre Universal ATF+4) had many slippage problems in 47RE and 47RH transmissions that WERE DIRECTLY attributed to the ATF+4 Amsoil (in modified 47RE and 47RH transmissions). I repeat, MANY cases... so many so the shop I'm refering to quit using Amsoil ATF until they (Amsoil) could straighten out the problem. They have since been very pleased with the results they have seen with the new Universal ATF+4. #ad


Thank you for the heads up RollCast. BTW, everytime I read one of your posts I keep thinking to myself I really need to start tying more flys... cool screen name. #ad

 

[Sled Puller]

John,
I see you said MODIFIED transmissions. Most of my sales are standards, and the few autos are always stock. 0 problems.
Although, I can't believe Amsoil would not alert their Dealers to a potential problem.
But like I said before, I have heard alot of stuff blamed on Amsoil, and when ALL the facts are on the table, it is not the oil's fault.
Funny how noone thinks to blame a big oil company, isn't it?

Mopar- Muscle,
That's the real question, is it not?
Hey, I'm honest, I can not answer that question!
It never made sense to me either!
If noone answers it by Monday,I'll get ahold of Amsoil Tech and get an answer. I'll also grill them on these shuddering modified autos.
Gene

 

[John]

MGM, there are not too many owners of Cummins powered Rams equipped with automatic transmissions that feel having a bone stock automatic transmission is the way to go. In ALL cases I mentioned earlier the transmissions were modified (i. e. , higher line pressures... which should minimize shuddering when going into lockup). If you search the archives, Bill Kondolay has stated that ATF+4 has better lubricating properties than ATF+3 however, it tends to produce an increased amount of TCC shudder as it is slipperier.

[This message has been edited by John (edited 02-24-2001). ]

 

[Sled Puller]

Absolutely, if I had an auto, it would be modified.
The people I have dealt with have had stock ones. If they are on a tight budget, I suggest changing the automatic fluid first to Amsoil, it is the cheapest thing you can do to extend the life of your transmission.
No complaints.
Most companies do their R&D on stock componets. After all, how many auto's has Dodge built? How many are modified?
I'm sure there is an explanation for these isolated cases. I would still be cautious about dumping any additives in it.
Has anyone called Amsoil who had chatter?
I have seen on this site, guys who get work done at a vendor, have a problem, and cry to us before they call the vendor and give them a chance to correct the problem!
What is in this Lubeguard?
What is it supposed to do?
What are the long term effects?
What exactly is causing chatter?
What exactly is the Lubeguard doing to stop it?
Who owns Lubeguard?
Those are just a few questions that cross my mind, maybe a litlle chatter is not a bad thing.
Gene

 

[John]

MGM, Bill Kondolay suggested I call Amsoil to discuss the possibility of adding Lubeguard to my Amsoil synthetic Universal ATF+4. After thinking back to several other times I had called them (different questions) I already knew what their answer would be (the usual corporate BS)... I'm sorry we cannot recommend the addition of any product to ours. This does not only apply to Amsoil... you can write in Cummins, DC, Red Line synthetic ETC. , ETC. , ETC. ! All I know is races have have been won (or lost) by experimentation. RollCast stated the addition of Lubeguard to his Amsoil ATF eliminated the slight shuddering he was experiencing. Sounds good to me. I'm not a chemist... and I'm not a fool either, there is absolutely no way I'm going to waste my time trying to reason with Amsoil on this.

PS: the owner of one of the companies I eluded to in an earlier post tried just that... explaining a problem with their "ATF+4" synthetic just after it had been released (i. e. , shuddering when going into lockup)... guess what, they gave him the cold shoulder IN A BIG WAY!

Thanks for your help and concern though. John

[This message has been edited by John (edited 02-24-2001). ]

 

[RollCast]

Gene,

Here is a link to the LubeGard web site http://www.lubegard.com/index.html . I am very much a believer in synthetics, which not that long ago were the new "voo doo" oils on the market. I have Amsoil in the transmission and use the Series 2000 in the rear axle. I have been very please so far with the performance of the Amsoil products in my truck. I also have a great respect for Bill Kondolay who recommended the Lubegard, which has seemed to have help.

Gary

[This message has been edited by RollCast (edited 02-24-2001). ]

 

[Sled Puller]

Gary,
Not too long ago? Try the 1930s!!!!!
Big oil pushed their mass media brainwashing hard for the last 50 years, it worked.
Synthetics are far from voo doo doo, or miracle, or magic, or mystery, or any other name of the week. #ad


I'll check that site out.
Someone else posted a site about another additive for airplane engines. I asked that company all sorts of questions, but they neglected to answer ONE.

Gene

 

[Sled Puller]

Dr. transmission? AsemmblEE gOO? AssemblEE LUUb?
Kooler Kleen? Lube and LOOSen?

Site is a bit too cutesy for me!LOL But I'll talk to Bill Monday.

Gene

 

[amsoilman]

I have to put my two cents in here... ... ... Beleive me, if you have to add an additive in ANY lubricant, something is not right!
I know of a well known transmission shop in my area who installed the GM differential additive for the limited slip units, and yes it did correct the shudder, but then they started having transmission problems 20 to 30,000 miles later. This happened on several Dodge trucks that I am aware of. They have since quit installing the additive.

Just remember this statement if nothing else! "anytime you add another chemical additive to any formulated oil product, you have changed the chemical properties of that product, and you don't know what the outcome is going to be. " All chemicals are NOT COMPATIBLE!

Wayne

 

[John_P]

I have read with interest the posts by
everyone on this subject. Like alot of
other subjects this is another one that
appears to be controversial. Much like
the filters, Prime-Loc etc.

I have used "Lube Guard" almost since
my truck was new. I now have 116,000 miles
on it. I began using it because a reputable
transmission shop recommended it to me. My
stock transmission lasted until 98,000
miles utilizing a TST #6 cam plate, and
only a "Trans-Go" Shift Kit in the transmission.
I regularly tow in the mountains of the
Mid-Atlantic on 4-5% grades more so in the
summer when temperatures and humidity are
high. I have used the stock Dodge transmision
fluid since the truck was new. My truck's
engine is no longer stock and neither is
my transmission as you can see by my
signature.

I cannot say whether or not the "LubeGuard"
gave my transmission the good longevity or
not, but I don't think it hurt.

Here is some answers to some of your
questions about "LubeGuard":

1. )Who makes it/where is it made?
"LubeGuard" is made by International
Lubricants Inc. in Seattle, Washington.

2. )What is it supposed to do?
It is designed to increase fluid life
while reducing the fluid temperature.
Reduce chatter/shudder in transmissions
with that problem. Inhibit transmission
fluid foaming and oxidation.

3. )What are the long term effects?
See #2. When I had my transmission
"upgraded" (TC,valve body, etc. ) I
had "normal" wear that I would have
had anyway.

"LubeGuard's" website can give you the
exact ingredients contained in their
additive.

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John_P

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Red '96 4x4 2500 Auto 3. 54, TST #5, Major Pump Mods(By "Scheid Diesel") 370 Diamond B Injectors, Gov. Spring kit, AFC Spring kit, Banks Exhaust, Prime Loc, Cummins Chrome Kit,Psychotty Air Filter, Pro-Torque Converter, BD Valve Body, BD Pressure Loc, Isspro Gauges, Sendel 16" Alum Wheels w/ 33" BFGs

 

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