Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) MAD ECM and Comp Box???

[ThrottleJockey]

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[MBreyer]

So I've got an 01 w/ and Edge EZ, which box works best? The special, right? Or is the EZ too lightweight to hassle the Catcher?



Thanks guys.



~Matt

 

[Bob Wagner]

I've got the DD ultimate power module in my truck with a catcher and have a few issues. When I lock the cruise in it surges or jerks then settles down but seems to surge constantly while holding speed. Also when towing it shifts into od to soon and locks up the tourqe converter to soon. Gives great low end power and throttle response with better mileage emty, less towing. The DDbox is made by Edge so figured it's similar to the comp. DW

David, OD should be locked out until you exceed 1600 rpm even stock. Are you trying ceuise control with the catcher only?



If you need any help you have my email and phone number, that goes to anyone that has questions or concerns too.



Always looking to help where I can

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Matt,



The Edge EZ, the Comp and the Drag Comp all have the same timing parameters.



I'd use the Special.



Brian

 

[Bob Wagner]

So I've got an 01 w/ and Edge EZ, which box works best? The special, right? Or is the EZ too lightweight to hassle the Catcher?



Thanks guys.



~Matt

MATT, Stacking an edge ez is not worthwhile with the catcher ecm. Marco programs the catcher to get all of the fueling out of the vp44 within stock fueling parameters (without tapping the pump wire)



Stacking an ez on my truck on top of the catcher (with larger injectors) only netted a 3 HP gain.



Hope this helps





** your results may vary.

 

[MBreyer]

So since I haven't upgraded my injectors yet (Mach 1. 6's are in mind), and the EZ does so little above Marco's creation, perhapse I should sell the EZ & putt the $$ towards the injectors & Catcher?



~Matt



Thanks for the fast replies guys!

 

[ThrottleJockey]

I'd only stack an EZ with a Special



The Standard I'd run only with a Blue Chip, etc...

 

[DWest]

Bob: Have not tried it with the box off, always run it on power level #1. Will try it in the morning with the box off. The earley lockup only occurs when towing and has never done this before. Iv'e never had to lock out OD before and I don't baby the throttle getting up to speed. DW

 

[Bob Wagner]

for anyone running an auto transmission, od should be locked out until at least 50mph/1500 RPM (whichever)



heck, I could run around all day locked at 35mph/1300rpm and luggging the engine which is a waste of power and hard on the transmission.





happy power range is 1900 RPM for mileage

 

[fox]

I've got the DD ultimate power module in my truck with a catcher and have a few issues. When I lock the cruise in it surges or jerks then settles down but seems to surge constantly while holding speed. Also when towing it shifts into od to soon and locks up the tourqe converter to soon. Gives great low end power and throttle response with better mileage emty, less towing. The DDbox is made by Edge so figured it's similar to the comp. DW

There is a factory what ever on the cruise control adjustment.

I did it recently and the cruise has settled down.

Basicly it is like this, get up to speed and hold it constant with the foot, turn cruise on and tap the set button 10- 12 times. Now turn it off and back on, repeat above. Do this a dozen times. It is a learn process.

Mine did this before the Catcher and after.

Looking into a vp now. Mine is a heat problem.

 

[RacinDuallie]

ThrottleJockey- Thanks for the explaination, looks like I have to put the Drag Comp on the shelf and order up a Blue Chip Redline, Edge EZ, and a Special MAD ECM... ... ...

Want the more fueling down low- in the middle and well above the top... .

Seems like this combo will do this?

Drag racer in me thinking now ... ... ... my wallet is starting to::{


Hey Throttle any problems with this stack that I should be aware of?

 

[RJPotts]

This thread has been great. I'm ready to order the ECM right now. Looks like I need to just get rid of my Comp and EZ and run the MAD ECM until I can get a new clutch.

Anyone have a MAD ECM with a fueling box some big injectors and turbo(s)? Just wondering what kind of numbers to expect on the dyno.

Thanks all,

R. J.

 

[darkhorse]

looks like I have to put the Drag Comp on the shelf and order up a Blue Chip Redline, Edge EZ, and a Special MAD ECM... ... ...



I'd suggest skipping the EZ & going with the regular CaTCHER. I've run both the EZ & the regular CaTCHER. The CaTCHER was much better at the bottom end.

 

[RJPotts]

I've heard all this stuff about the MAD ECM being soooo much better than anything else.

Well, just how good is it?

When you put it on your truck (and this applies to anyone/everyone with the ECM) were you in complete awe because it was so much better than anything else you've tried?

I'm already convinced that I will be getting one ASAP, but I wanna know just how good it is.

I was happy with the difference the EZ made, should I expect to be giggling while I'm driving down the road like a little school girl that just got her first kiss?

There's a lot of hype, I hope its as good if not better than y'all are leading on.

Anyone know a psychic, I need to win the lottery.

-R. J.

 

[rivercat]

Just wanted to thank TJ (#18) for breaking it down FINALLY for all to see :killed the questionability of both versions

Since bob seems to agree form his lack of any corrections it is gospel.



all is right in the world...

 

[R-N-R]

R-N-R is correct. The best of both worlds is a standard version catcher stacked with either blue chip or tst fueling only box.



The ship sails again this Friday :-laf

Looks like a confirmation to me...

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Is the CaTCHER that good?

Let me put it this way, and this is the truth.



Say I wreck my truck. Totalled. I leave the hospital, take a cab down to the insurance adjuster's lot BEFORE the salvage wrecker loads it up, and I unbolt my CaTCHER and drag my bloody broken body BACK to the hospital.



Do I want my custom low CR pistons? Nope, I'll buy another set.

Do I want my Mach 5 EDMs? Nah.

Do I save my Twin Turbo plumbing? Please. I'll weld up some more.



But I bet I save my CaTCHER.



RacinDuallie,



Oh yeah! I can't wait to hear of your time slips with that stack! Some big street slicks stuffed in those duallie fenderwells! Awesome!

But dont go and buy an Edge EZ, you already have one! Hook that Drag Comp back up and leave the pump wire hangin' off. The Redline will handle the fuel, the Comp the timing, and the Special will bring it all together.

The Special loves the big injectors and big boost you'll see at the strip.



RJPotts



You too, don't get rid of that Comp! Remember, the Standard Mad ECM has a bit too much timing for large injectors and a lot of boost from a big single or a set of twins. That is why Marco developed the Special. The twins guys were making a lot of boost and ALL twins trucks have a set of big sticks.

A Special CaTCHER equipped rig with twins and lots of fuel should easily see 550-600 hp.



Man if you were happy with the EZ, the CaTCHER will render you perpetually happy!

A schoolgirl with her first kiss? Shoes off, stockings pulled off, bra unfastend in the backseat, skirt up and underwear shoved aside... . No Hype.

My EZ was cool down low in the powerband but fell off as the rpm rose. My Ottomind ONLY woke up in the mid range to top end. Down low you cant tell you paid $2600. 00 for a horsepower kit.



The CaTCHER OWNS your WHOLE tachometer. Marco gets the fuel to your combustion chamber REAL early and just keeps it coming!

 

[Clmsnow]

I have been watching this thread alot and had a question. If you guys had the choice of either getting the CaTCHER or upgrading from DDII's to Mach 3's... . with my given set-up, which would be better? I have never even hit 1300* with my new turbo and the Comp on 5x5. What would be the advantages/disadvantages of both? Thanks.

 

[R-N-R]

Either would be a good upgrade, however in the daily driving thrills and bang for your buck departments, a catcher with IIs would be better than M3s without a catcher. I am confident this would apply to your setup, but I'd better let someone more technical explain it. I am just starting to comprehend this stuff and I am a ways away from being able to explain it.

 

[RacinDuallie]

I have been watching this thread alot and had a question. If you guys had the choice of either getting the CaTCHER or upgrading from DDII's to Mach 3's... . with my given set-up, which would be better? I have never even hit 1300* with my new turbo and the Comp on 5x5. What would be the advantages/disadvantages of both? Thanks.

You keep saying that you have not seen 1300 degrees when on 5 x 5... ..... my real thoughts on that-MORE FUEL!! I drove around with 6's daily, and had my temps hit 1600+ at lengthy times,my truck see's more top-end hard running, on highway, very early in the A. M. , and when it's clear on the way back after the rush hour... ... and weekend racetrack duty, Friday night steeter's only is great for plenty of runs... ... when I pulled my head off there was absolutely NO HEAT INFLICTED DAMAGE!! Am I saying for you to run yours up that high- no. I'm just stating my real-world experiences, and what I seen with my own eyes.....

Drag Comp on 5 x 5 should only be used when your racing or putting a PSF in it's place at the back!! Your driving around with it on kill and resulting low temps- MORE FUEL is needed so then you'll have your box on say 2 x 5 daily and when the need for a smile arises hit the kill button(5 x 5) and hang on- but you need more fuel for that.

How about getting the Mach 4's AND the Catcher?? Then the next mod down the road- put a cam in it... ... .....