Make My Mind Up...EZ or Injectors

[JoelPry]

Hello all, Ive been struggling with this for the last couple of weeks, should I get DDI's or a EZ as my first real performance mod? I was all ready to buy the DD's until I heard everyone say the II's are better. Im under the impression that you cant put II's in until you have a boost module. I'm afraid the transmission wont hold with II's and a EZ. Sooner or later I plan on both a EZ (or other box) and injectors, after I work on the transmission. But, I dont want to buy I's with an EZ and then want more power, aaahhhh. Help me make my mind up. Thanks

 

[KatDiesel]

IF you goto the DDII's I have a Practical Solutions boost module I can sell you fairly cheap. I used it for like two weeks tops with my DDIII's before I got the COMP in. Actually now that I think bout it, you can have the boost module, I'll just take payment in return when it comes time to do the strobes (in labor). And then if and when you get the EZ or whatever, you can "pass" the boost module onto someone else. And just so ya know I paid $149 for it.



Does that help your descion at all? You've already tried the EZ, why not try the injectors now? Eventually you'll have both anyways hehe. Only thing is when and if ya go into for warrenty work you'll have to leave the boost module hooked up tho, its pretty easy to hide tho. The tech I talked to said tis easy to sneak by injectors and turbos, its the "boxes" they look for. Me I'm screwed now, everytime ya open the hood that big ol intake stares at ya... ... .

 

[Bob Wagner]

start with the box. DD1's are on the small end of the injector spectrum.



Believe me DD2's are the smallest injector to start out with for the power hungry.



I started with a VA then 275's and now I am ready for larger injectors.



Start with the Comp box for the small price difference and 5 levels of power





BOMB ON !

 

[DAWG-1]

Injectors First....

I would have done injectors first. Dont waist money on 275 or DD1s, buy DD2s and get the free boost module. Then go for the Comp box when you can. The adjustability from the cab is sweet. Take it from me I tried all the boxes and if someone would have offered me a free boost module, injecctors would have been "FIRST". Need any help call. Sam

 

[Snow man]

Joel,if I had it to do over,Id go right to the Edge comp,dont bother with the EZ if you have big power#'s in mind later. With the comp,it will make more power with stock injectors than the DD2's and EZ combined. The added bonus is you will have zero smoke on take off,with DD2's and the EZ you will have smoke,and if you adjust the jumper for no smoke,you'll have no low end power until spool up. The comp can be adjusted from the cab,and until you get the transmission done,just leave it on level 1 with the low speed fuel on setting 5. My 2000 with just the Ez outran my dad's 2001 ,with DD3's and the EZ together,he had lots of smoke,I had zero. If your just looking for a little more power,the EZ is great,but if your like me,its not enough,and I wanted more. Good luck.

 

[KatDiesel]

I don't think he is power hungry like myself. So I think he is going to shy away from any of the wire tapping boxes. Least thats the impression I get when talking to him. And sure takes alot of willpower to "leave" it in level I Thats something I lack, if I got it by god I am gonna use it... ... I run my truck normally on Level III on COMP + DDIII's... thats my normal driving



Correct me if I am wrong Joel? If ya want I can take for a ride show ya the ins and outs of the COMP if you wish.

 

[JoelPry]

I should of also said that Im going to be plowing snow this winter, do you guys think the transmission will handle the dd2's?

 

[JoelPry]

Well, I wouldnt say Im not power hungry but, I know me if I had adjustable levels Id be using them all at somepoint in time. I just want a nice little power addition until I get the transmission worked on. If I wasnt plowing snow too, I might not be as concerned.

 

[Bob Wagner]

keep an eye on this thread

http://www.dieseltrans.com/DTTech/T....cgi?forum_name=main_forum&message_number=971

 

[KatDiesel]

Bob - I think thats him Could be coincedence tho.

 

[JoelPry]

Nope Its me, I might be borderline too cautious, but my truck is my baby, I need it to last a while, dont want to make any mistakes.

 

[Snow man]

Joel,Im plowing too,so i was concerned with the durability. I am just so impressed with the comp box that I feel it is the better value,but the wire tap is something you have to decide if you want to do. remember,with the comp,you wont need the DD2's,and wont have the idle/ stalling issues down the road when you go with a tighter convertor. Kat,I had the comp in with a stock transmission,I used it few times on level5,only got on it above 2300,and never let it go into lockup while under full power. it is tough to not use it though.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Snow man

Joel,Im plowing too,so i was concerned with the durability. I am just so impressed with the comp box that I feel it is the better value,but the wire tap is something you have to decide if you want to do. remember,with the comp,you wont need the DD2's,and wont have the idle/ stalling issues down the road when you go with a tighter convertor. Kat,I had the comp in with a stock transmission,I used it few times on level5,only got on it above 2300,and never let it go into lockup while under full power. it is tough to not use it though.

I had a "HOT" PE for roughly 15,000 miles with only a shiftkit in the transmission. Worked fine, even in Level III which was 100hp or so. What idle or stall issue are you refering to? My truck with DDIII's works fine, no problem at idle, no problem with cruisecontrol, no stalling problem. I ran with just DDIII's and the shift kit for about 2 weeks before doing the transmission and the COMP. I have the 91% TC. A COMP + no willpower = bad for stock transmission is all I am saying. I'll show him the ins and outs of the COMP next week sometime ... . just a matter of decide if he wants to tap the wire or not

 

[SLightfoot]

Generally speaking, I feel that injectors have better "manners". Those with both will understand what I mean.



I would go with injectors first, then go with a box IF you want more. (You will).

Then the EZ box is a good solution for the next addition.



More power than this, and you gotta be REAL careful not to wreck something else. IMHO. EGT's are fine with this combo too.



Shawn

 

[zman]

go with the EZ first...

Joel -



You need to upgrade your transmission and look for a bigger turbo than the HY that is on your truck if you go with DD2's. With the DD2's, you will have EGT problems if you don't upgrade the turbo and you'll have TC problems if you don't upgrade the transmission. The EZ is the BEST mod for an unmodified CTD with an auto transmission. Look at doing transmission mods after the EZ. You MIGHT be able to get away with DD1's in addition to the EZ without upgrading the turbo. My 2 cents...



Steve

 

[24V-DSL]

No problem with high egt's

zman... . see my sig. I was real worried about the potential for high egt's when the DD2's went in, but to my suprise at WOT I've never hit more than 1200 pre-turbo. Also, I'm at sea level and I suspect that helps.



Having said that, Piers HX35 is in my future

 

[Snow man]

My Dad's truck is an 01 with dd2's and the EZ,I put a spring on the wastegate,now it will get to 27 lbs of boost,he has no EGT trouble at all. if you mash it,it gets to 1200,and hangs there. We had DD#'3 in there and it would get to 1300 then,but i still think thats acceptable. We are looking for a bigger turbo,but this one works in the meantime,he doesnt tow very much weight either,so that helps.

 

[Fred Swanson]

Joel, you could run the Comp, and not hook up the pump wire until later. I've had customers do this, and this way the Comp runs like the EZ, except you can adjust the 5 levels in the cab. Set each sub-level to match the main level, and you have an EZ with 5 levels at your fingertips.

I feel the EZ/Comp is the better bargain, and injectors could be added later, if more power is needed.

Yes, DTT does sell a specific transmission cooler that works in parallel with the factory. It mounts behind the front bumper, down low in the middle.

Also, a Mag-Hytec transmission pan helps keep temps cooler, too. The double-deep pan adds an additional 3-4 qts of transmission fluid, which does help.

When you're plowing, how fast are you normally going, and what gear are you in?

If going slow, you're using the convertor out of lockup, which does generate heat under load. DTT's convertor is much more efficient out of lockup, and you don't build heat as much as stock. And with their valve body, you get better cooling, and higher pressures for lockup. Also, the updates to the clutches and various other components, make it a better transmission.

 

[redneckdr]

edge comp

has any one tried to open the loom to the pump and isolate the wire needed , then solder a pigtail on it? it could then be unplugged and the wire tucked back in the loom when the truck goes in to a dealer. that way, there wouldn't be a giveaway, with the comp removed??

 

[Snow man]

Redneck,I looked at where the pump wires come out of the pump,then go back in all within a foot or so,there is no place to tap into the wires without it easily being visable. If there were any looming and it went further into the truck,it would be possible to do that. If you took a couple of pump covers off then you could get to the inside,and the wires,but it would be easy to see you had tampered with it,and then,how to get the new pump tap wire out of the pump without drilling any new holes. The gromets are very small,and there is no room to push an extra wire thru,I think its a weather tight grommet too,so you would open another can of worms doing that,if the motor got wet.