I was just wondering if anyone else is running a water methanol system. What kind of setup do you have and how is your power and egts? I just put a setup in my truck today and I am really impressed. Dropped egts by about 300 degrees and what feels like 40 extra horses when it kicks in. Also what size nozzles are being used?
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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Methanol Anyone?
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What setup did you get? Snow? Cooling Mist?
coolingmist diesel stage I
pwerwagn
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Are you running WW fluid, or mixing your own water/meth?
Is the cooling mist kit variable, or just an on/off system?
As far as nozzle size, from what Ive figured, 1-10 gpm nozzle should work ok. I was planning on using a 5gpm and a 10gpm on my system (if/when I ever do it), with the 5 setup on a 0-20psi hobbs and the 10 on a 20-120psi hobbs.
--Jeff
Is the cooling mist kit variable, or just an on/off system?
As far as nozzle size, from what Ive figured, 1-10 gpm nozzle should work ok. I was planning on using a 5gpm and a 10gpm on my system (if/when I ever do it), with the 5 setup on a 0-20psi hobbs and the 10 on a 20-120psi hobbs.
--Jeff
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MAleksandrowicz,
SNOW only!! Some brands claim they use boost and EGT to operate, but they actually use boost "OR" EGT to operate, Snow does both! Plus Snow uses plastic and non ferrous materials to build with that the Meth will not attack, others just use brass and or steel materials. We have been selling Snow kits for a while and have never had a call back with a problem to date! That in itself is worth it's weight in gold.
Here's some other info comparing Snow to Cooling Mist products:
Component Parts:
Coolingmist uses many brass pieces and Teflon tape in their connections. Brass ERODES over time in the presence of methanol, nylon does not. Teflon is methanol resistant, NOT methanol proof. It may take a long time for the erosion to affect the performance of a system, but why design it with a built in failure? We use Stainless steel and nylon-based plastic components that are rated for continuous methanol contact.
Nozzles – Coolingmist uses off-the-shelf industrial sprayer nozzles. We have custom-engineered and manufactured nozzles that atomize MUCH better and cover a wider range of flow rates. They are a special 2-chamber design that actually spin the fluid supersonically as it exits the nozzle tip.
Proven diesel experience and success – there is a reason that the diesel (and gasoline) magazines keep printing stories about our kits and why drag racers and pulling trucks and tractors use Snow Performance. Proven performance and reliability. We have done all the testing and development to make sure the kits work correctly on Powerstrokes, Cummins, Duramaxes, etc. and know the nozzle setups and sizes to use and have in house technicians to help if anyone has a problem. We are on 3500hp pulling tractors as well as 1. 6L Turbo Diesel VWs. Coolingmist’s pump drops a severe amount of pressure when using more than one large nozzle (we know because we tested it) and they don’t have a pump available that atomizes well and delivers the volume for high-hp diesels running high boost pressures (over 45psi).
Their controllers are ONE-DIMENSIONAL. They inject according to Boost OR (with an additional adapter box and wiring and an additional temp probe at additional costs) according to EGTs. They cannot vary the injection according both at the same time like our Stage 3 unit. Injecting according to both is the only way to get smooth, reliable power and EGT control. Their system can turn on and off according to one variable and inject according to the other one. However, to set those types of parameters requires their software and a link to a computer.
Our Stage 3 uses BOTH variables to decide when and how much to inject. One easy-to adjust knob on face of the controller with readouts for EGT, Boost and injection amount, without having to buy any additional controllers or displays or anything.
If you want to get into the software and change the delivery curve you can do that with theirs, and can’t with ours, but we did months and months of testing to make sure the delivery curve was right out of the box, no software or computer downloading necessary.
Hopefully this gives you a better idea of why we have so many diesel customers and dealers happy with the products.
Mark @ DPPI
SNOW only!! Some brands claim they use boost and EGT to operate, but they actually use boost "OR" EGT to operate, Snow does both! Plus Snow uses plastic and non ferrous materials to build with that the Meth will not attack, others just use brass and or steel materials. We have been selling Snow kits for a while and have never had a call back with a problem to date! That in itself is worth it's weight in gold.
Here's some other info comparing Snow to Cooling Mist products:
Component Parts:
Coolingmist uses many brass pieces and Teflon tape in their connections. Brass ERODES over time in the presence of methanol, nylon does not. Teflon is methanol resistant, NOT methanol proof. It may take a long time for the erosion to affect the performance of a system, but why design it with a built in failure? We use Stainless steel and nylon-based plastic components that are rated for continuous methanol contact.
Nozzles – Coolingmist uses off-the-shelf industrial sprayer nozzles. We have custom-engineered and manufactured nozzles that atomize MUCH better and cover a wider range of flow rates. They are a special 2-chamber design that actually spin the fluid supersonically as it exits the nozzle tip.
Proven diesel experience and success – there is a reason that the diesel (and gasoline) magazines keep printing stories about our kits and why drag racers and pulling trucks and tractors use Snow Performance. Proven performance and reliability. We have done all the testing and development to make sure the kits work correctly on Powerstrokes, Cummins, Duramaxes, etc. and know the nozzle setups and sizes to use and have in house technicians to help if anyone has a problem. We are on 3500hp pulling tractors as well as 1. 6L Turbo Diesel VWs. Coolingmist’s pump drops a severe amount of pressure when using more than one large nozzle (we know because we tested it) and they don’t have a pump available that atomizes well and delivers the volume for high-hp diesels running high boost pressures (over 45psi).
Their controllers are ONE-DIMENSIONAL. They inject according to Boost OR (with an additional adapter box and wiring and an additional temp probe at additional costs) according to EGTs. They cannot vary the injection according both at the same time like our Stage 3 unit. Injecting according to both is the only way to get smooth, reliable power and EGT control. Their system can turn on and off according to one variable and inject according to the other one. However, to set those types of parameters requires their software and a link to a computer.
Our Stage 3 uses BOTH variables to decide when and how much to inject. One easy-to adjust knob on face of the controller with readouts for EGT, Boost and injection amount, without having to buy any additional controllers or displays or anything.
If you want to get into the software and change the delivery curve you can do that with theirs, and can’t with ours, but we did months and months of testing to make sure the delivery curve was right out of the box, no software or computer downloading necessary.
Hopefully this gives you a better idea of why we have so many diesel customers and dealers happy with the products.
Mark @ DPPI
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Mark, you bring up a point that has been bothering me about water/meth. You say the kit uses nonferrous materials that the water/meth won't attack. Sadly, there's lots of ferrous parts in the remainder of the parts of our engines that are ferrous. What long term adverse effects are there from use of water/meth injection? The short-term benefits of EGT reduction and increased power are undisputed, but at what cost?
pwerwagn
TDR MEMBER
Jim Fulmer was running a bunch of water/methanol through his, and last time he tore it down he had good reports.
BBD was also running a LOT of water/meth. The current owner has the motor torn down, and I think Scott has pics. You might ask if there were any effects on the intake, etc from the methanol.
--Jeff
BBD was also running a LOT of water/meth. The current owner has the motor torn down, and I think Scott has pics. You might ask if there were any effects on the intake, etc from the methanol.
--Jeff
May not be a big deal, but I'm considering the Snow kit. That's just a question I've had about water/methanol. Hydrolocking is another concern of mine.
devilsown water/methanol injection for a diesel engine
I ran a devilsownonline.com kit for a while on my PSD 7. 3 and loved it. With lots of mods, chips stacked, EGTs almost never crossed 1,100 with a BHAF and stock exhaust. The advertisements of lowering EGTs 200-300 degrees are true. I plan to install it on my 12 valve once i find a boost reference.
It is very adjustable but requires a bit of tuning, depending on ambient temperatures, to correctly lower the onset. It will "put out the flame" so you must dial it back for drivability in low RPMs to avoid detonation. On hot summer days i could have the dual nozzles inject full power around 10-12 psi. It is a very nice seat of the pants boost in power, makes the truck move. Especially when towing, you really notice it pulling a big load.
I can set mine so it will kick in as low as 1. 5 psi of turbo boost. It regulates very well. I used 99 cent windshield washer fluid, and just straight water when warm enough. Straight water will freeze close to 32 fahrenheit and not flow. Power actually felt better with straight H2O in warm weather.
Fuel economy did not increase for me. That may be because my chips were already maxing my timing. One of the most noticeable benefits of being able to have it start around 2 psi is that it almost completely cleans up tailpipe smoke! If i ever saw black, i knew that i had run out and needed to refill the tank. If i ever saw smoke at all with water, it would be a grayish colored smoke and clean up immediately.
If you run biodiesel, SVO, or WVO, the only downfall is that NOx is increased. Water/methanol injection is supposed to reduce that greenhouse emission. I have not tested this, but i can testify to an amazingly cleaner burn out the tailpipe.
Perhaps propane will net more mpg but i don't think it will burn much cleaner. Propane would probably make more power but from what i hear, propane can raise EGTs and increase pollutants. I wasn't crazy about having to search for propane, mess with DOT tanks, or having propane under my seat. Water is free and non-flammable, though methanol obviously is. Definitely less expensive. The kit can also be used on gas engines like it was on fighter planes in its early days. I very much like water/methanol injection, one of my favorite mods.
-Also, my pump failed after a little over a year. They said only 3 or 4 had ever failed. They sent me a new pump immediately, no questions asked.
I ran a devilsownonline.com kit for a while on my PSD 7. 3 and loved it. With lots of mods, chips stacked, EGTs almost never crossed 1,100 with a BHAF and stock exhaust. The advertisements of lowering EGTs 200-300 degrees are true. I plan to install it on my 12 valve once i find a boost reference.
It is very adjustable but requires a bit of tuning, depending on ambient temperatures, to correctly lower the onset. It will "put out the flame" so you must dial it back for drivability in low RPMs to avoid detonation. On hot summer days i could have the dual nozzles inject full power around 10-12 psi. It is a very nice seat of the pants boost in power, makes the truck move. Especially when towing, you really notice it pulling a big load.
I can set mine so it will kick in as low as 1. 5 psi of turbo boost. It regulates very well. I used 99 cent windshield washer fluid, and just straight water when warm enough. Straight water will freeze close to 32 fahrenheit and not flow. Power actually felt better with straight H2O in warm weather.
Fuel economy did not increase for me. That may be because my chips were already maxing my timing. One of the most noticeable benefits of being able to have it start around 2 psi is that it almost completely cleans up tailpipe smoke! If i ever saw black, i knew that i had run out and needed to refill the tank. If i ever saw smoke at all with water, it would be a grayish colored smoke and clean up immediately.
If you run biodiesel, SVO, or WVO, the only downfall is that NOx is increased. Water/methanol injection is supposed to reduce that greenhouse emission. I have not tested this, but i can testify to an amazingly cleaner burn out the tailpipe.
Perhaps propane will net more mpg but i don't think it will burn much cleaner. Propane would probably make more power but from what i hear, propane can raise EGTs and increase pollutants. I wasn't crazy about having to search for propane, mess with DOT tanks, or having propane under my seat. Water is free and non-flammable, though methanol obviously is. Definitely less expensive. The kit can also be used on gas engines like it was on fighter planes in its early days. I very much like water/methanol injection, one of my favorite mods.
-Also, my pump failed after a little over a year. They said only 3 or 4 had ever failed. They sent me a new pump immediately, no questions asked.
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Good to hear. From what I'm told, my EGT's aren't bad right now. Worst I see is around 1300 or so if I hammer it. But there's more bombs in my future, so water/meth will come in handy next year. 
I have a Snow Stage 3 thats going in tomorrow, will let you know how I like it.
pwerwagn said:
Just got the head back from the valve bending trial and everything looked fine... ... . (valve bending was from a broken cam) Me personally, I won't give my Snow System up!
Jim
Got mine installed and runs a lot smoother. Sure drinks the juice up fast. I think I need a bigger resivour now. But it runs a bit quicker and cools better on the top end too.
what gph nozzles are you running?
2 of the 625ml p/h nozzles. It made quite a bit of difference.
Is the 625 ml per hour or per minute? That is really small to be per hour.
your right, 625ml per minute
How much did you drop as far as egts? Any dyno numbers to show hp gains?
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