Mid-easterners Taking pictures of schools?

[FATCAT]

Nice little report on the local Boston radio about 3 or so mid-eastern men taking pictures of some local Brookline schools.

Apparently when confronted and asked they said that the pictures for for their boss who was looking for a school for his kids ... then they disapeared ... hummmmmm does that sound like a good excuse????



Man, when are we going to wake up and start rounding up these savages and deporting them!!



I guess it will have to be after the next big attack. Now some 2nd in command ex-ATF anti-gun prick at transportation said that

"he" won't let pilots have firearms in the cockpit.



I hope that after the next "big" attack, Bush will have the cahonies to throw a dart of map of the mid-east and where it lands, ignite that country and keep eliminating a mid-east country every time an attack occurs in the US. For every one of us, we will wipe out 100,000 of you!!

 

[CTRam]

Just last week 3 men were caught taking pictures of a reservoir from atop a storage tank in Easton, CT. there story was full of holes. IMO



HELLO



When are the authorities gonna wake up... .

 

[emarsh]

makes a good case for a conceled carry armed society, I think I would like to shoot one of these people, giving a chance. We need the mentality that tamed the wild west!

If our pilots had guns before sept 11th and the cockpit doors were reasonably secure, NONE of this would have had to happen, but noooooo, we can't have people protecting themselves. I wish all of the U. S. pilots would strike until they can have weapons (guns), see who would fly those planes then. I certainly would NOT be a pilot without what I feel comfortable with for protection (a firearm!).

 

[joel]

pilots with guns wouldn't have changed a thing

THe terrorists would have just had to plan a little different to get guns onboard rather than knives, and they would have just started shooting people. Remember, they didn't need the pilots, were going to kill them anyway, so popping them as a matter of business would have been nothing. Had the pilots had guns, they would have been safely in their holsters as the hijackers calmly shot them.



As for rounding up people for taking pictures... here we go again. It's not against the law for people to take pictures of schools or resevoirs. Admittedly they should be watched, but rounded up or shot? What about those of you with power boxes that take pride in "smoking out" people on the road you don't like. That's basically an act of terrorism, if you think about it. And it could cause someone to crash or do something (else) stupid on the road. But this is OK because it's you and not some arab? Using your logic, the cops should come confiscate all our trucks with big injectors and power boxes.



Get real here. No matter how many suspicious looking people you round up and deport/shoot/whatever your favorite remedy is, you'll never be able to prevent them from doing something. Especially if they're planning on dying anyway. Now, when we learn who did it and who helped them, we kick the living **** out of 'em and... dissuade it from happening again. Unfortunately, that probably won't solve our problem, either. Until their culture and value of life changes, we're pretty much powerless unless we want to give our government totalitarian powers. I don't know about you, but I don't want that.

 

[illflem]

Shows you where I'm at. When you said mid-easterners I thought you meant people from Ohio

 

[Jumbo Jet]

Definition of Politically Correct - ignore common sense.



Who hijacked the planes? Mid-eastern Arab men between the ages of 20 - 40 in the US on a Visa.



Is it politically incorrect to suspect people that fit that profile?



Makes me want to spread peanut butter inside my shorts and lay down in the midst of a bunch of fox squirrels!!

 

[emarsh]

I don't have a box or bigger injectors.

Who said anything about smoking people out. Who said anything about Arab's?

However, if every citizen shot just one potential terrorist, problem solved.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by emarsh



However, if every citizen shot just one potential terrorist, problem solved.

So, does that mean I can shoot you since you MAY be a POTENTIAL terrorist? Would you have shot Timothy McVeigh? He wasn't an arab but he was convicted of terrorist acts against his own people.



W(ho)TF are you to determine who/what is a potential terrorist? Something about innocent until proven guilty comes to mind. The ability to pull off the hijackings of 9-11 say a lot more about our serious lack of immigration and border control than anything else.



Brian

 

[Charley]

Racial Profiling





To ensure we Americans never offend anyone - - - - particularly fanatics

intent on killing us - airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, and 85-year old men with metal hips.



Let's pause a moment and take the following test:



In 1972 at the Munich Olympics,

athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

(a) Olga Corbutt

(b) Sitting Bull

(c) Arnold Schwartzeneger

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1979,the U. S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:

(a) Lost Norwegians

(b) Elvis

(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in! Lebanon by:

(a) John Dillinger

(b) The King of Sweden

(c) The Boy Scouts

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1983, the U. S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

(a) A pizza delivery boy

(b) Pee Wee Herman

(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old

American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:

(a) The Smurfs

(b) Davy Jones

(c) The Little Mermaid

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, & a US Navy diver was

murdered by:

(a) Captain Kid

(b) Charles Lindberg

(c) Mother Teresa

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

(a) Scooby Doo

(b) The Tooth Fairy

(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid who had a few sticks of dynamite

left over from the train job.

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

(a) Richard Simmons

(b) Grandma Moses

(c) Michael Jordan

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1998, the U. S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

(a) Mr. Rogers

(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems

(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha

the Merciless"

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:

(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd

(b) The Supreme Court of Florida

(c) Mr. Bean

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

(a) Enron

(b) The Lutheran Church

(c) The NFL

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

(a) Bonny and Clyde

(b) Captain Kangaroo

(c) Billy Graham

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



Hmmm . . . nope, no patterns can be seen here to justify profiling.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Do I really need to come up with questions that show a basis for racial profiling of white males between 30 - 50 for crimes committed in the South?



How many muslim males between 17 -40 are there in the world? In all the incidents listed above how many individuals were involved? Now do the math and tell me the percentage of arab males between 17 - 40 that are involved in terrorist activities. . 01-. 02%? Sounds like a basis for racial profiling to me. Now, if somebody is doing something suspicious then yes, they should be questioned/followed/detained.



Based on your logic I should locked up as a neo-nazi - short blond hair, blue eyes, 6'4"



Brian

 

[Charley]

That post just happened to be in a message someone sent me and it seemed to fit the conversation and that is all this is, a conversation.



I don't support racial profiling at all. I don't think race has much to do with much. I do support profiling as do most if not all police agencies. Who do they call when they think they are dealing with a serial anything, killer, rapist, a profiler who has studied these types of crimes and is able to make some educated guesses.



You wouldn't get a second glance from a law enforcement officer today unless you were acting suspiciously in some way but had this been 1942 instead of 2002 you might be the subject of some profiling yourself.



I guess all I was saying is that if I was looking over the passengers boarding flight 1369 I wouldn't necessarily want to check out Aunt Flossie but if you looked like an arab I would.



If they really are after you, you're not paranoid.



10 people, 10 opinions.



Charley

 

[FATCAT]

How Many?

How many muslim males between 17 -40 are there in the world?

As far as I'm concerned ... too many!



We all know (or should know) that after the next BIG attack, these men will be the object of much retribution in the US ... and that will be unfortunate for the innocent ones, but then know one said life is fair. Not saying it right, just saying that the way its gonna be.



My major concern is that we (the US) are quickly falling in line with the terrorist's plans ... panicking all the time, not going about our lives like we should or worse yet, having our freedoms and liberties stipped away slowly in the name of security.



We need to turn the tables on them and eradicate the countries that have been backing these animals ... we must be 100 more brutal then the terrorists, it is the only way to stop them or have the countries that support them (the ones that are left) turn them over to us and stop the bloodshed.

 

[rrausch]

Most Muslim Arabs should have never been let into this country in the first place. There have been many many instances of their calling for a Jihad against the U. S. Allow me to remind you please, these people's Koran tells them it is their DUTY to kill Christians and Jews whenever the possibility arrises of their taking over another country and making it Muslim.



Now that they ARE here, they should be watched very, very carefully and deported back to their 3rd world h#ll holes for the slightest offense.



You know, the ancient Egyptians worshipped cats. OK. To each culture it's own. Well they were overwhelmed eventually by an army of invaders who all had taken the time to tie cats to themselves. The Egyptions wouldn't fight for fear of hurting the cats. My point here, is that senseless rules & customs ALWAYS turn around and bite a nation in the rear. Our current wussy attitude toward racial profiling is just such a stupid rule. Of course we must Racial Profile. ALL Arab young men must be questioned, questioned again, and questioned again. If there is anything suspicious they must be deported immediately with no mercy. Let me remind you, this is considerably better than what the Muslim countries to do "Infadels" who they consider to be suspicious. Danny Pearl found out what they do in those countries. They cut your throat.

 

[Doc Tinker]

Let's hear an opinion from some Muslim Arab Turbo Diesel owners. I'm sure they are out there. Would we still call them brothers, if we knew?



Doc

 

[NVR FNSH]

rrausch,

Can you re-post the section of the Koran that states it is the duty of all muslims to kill christians & jews? Someone posted it here before and if I remember correctly it does not specifically say to kill others. I believe it is phrased in a way that is open to interpretation based on the word jihad or intifadeh - not really sure though. It kind of reminds me of the argument surrounding the 2nd Amendment... ... .



Regarding Daniel Pearl. I don't believe there is any evidence linking the govt of Pakistan (muslim majority?) to the kidnapping & murder. Note I did not say govt employees/officials. My point is that it is not state policy to murder non-muslims.



Brian

 

[rrausch]

No, NVR FNSH I'm not going to post that. The last time I heard this was from the Dennis Prager radio program, in which he interviewed a guy who had written a book on these passages in the Koran. It's true ok. And it is not ambiguous, as I recall there are many places in the Koran where it tells how it is ok to kill Christians & Jews, but not Muslims, unless... oh for instance... unless the Muslim is your daughter and she has "disgraced" you... then it's just fine & dandy to put a bullet in her head or slit her throat. And they do.



The Muslim culture is more of a "Militarism" than a religion, and until recently we have been too many thousands of miles away from it to feel it's craziness.



let us not forget the entire Byzantium Christian empire, which was just about completely annihalted in a few hundred years. Muslim's massacred the entire Christian city of Constantinople in 1453. (Today it's a Muslim city called Istanbul. ) These people won't give up. They are dedicated to killing, obsessed that it is their Holy Duty to kill Christians, Jews, Americans, and taught from childhood that America is Evil. Do not take these people lightly.

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by illflem

Shows you where I'm at. When you said mid-easterners I thought you meant people from Ohio

ROFLMAO... ... .

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by Charley

Racial Profiling





To ensure we Americans never offend anyone - - - - particularly fanatics

intent on killing us - airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, and 85-year old men with metal hips.



Let's pause a moment and take the following test:



In 1972 at the Munich Olympics,

athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:

(a) Olga Corbutt

(b) Sitting Bull

(c) Arnold Schwartzeneger

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1979,the U. S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:

(a) Lost Norwegians

(b) Elvis

(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in! Lebanon by:

(a) John Dillinger

(b) The King of Sweden

(c) The Boy Scouts

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1983, the U. S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

(a) A pizza delivery boy

(b) Pee Wee Herman

(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old

American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:

(a) The Smurfs

(b) Davy Jones

(c) The Little Mermaid

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, & a US Navy diver was

murdered by:

(a) Captain Kid

(b) Charles Lindberg

(c) Mother Teresa

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

(a) Scooby Doo

(b) The Tooth Fairy

(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid who had a few sticks of dynamite

left over from the train job.

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

(a) Richard Simmons

(b) Grandma Moses

(c) Michael Jordan

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 1998, the U. S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

(a) Mr. Rogers

(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems

(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha

the Merciless"

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:

(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd

(b) The Supreme Court of Florida

(c) Mr. Bean

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

(a) Enron

(b) The Lutheran Church

(c) The NFL

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

(a) Bonny and Clyde

(b) Captain Kangaroo

(c) Billy Graham

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



Hmmm . . . nope, no patterns can be seen here to justify profiling.

Ahh... . Hmmm... . What's a passing score?



Darren

 

[redramnc]

In case you have never had any dealings with the Arab world, I will tell you that the mindset of that region is COMPLETELY foreign to our way of thinking and our way of life.



I had the privilege? of getting to know a very beautiful young lady (Emma Samms circa 1980 look-alike) from Lebanon who was in the States living with her grandmother and finishing high school here because her high school was blown up. When she left her home in Lebanon there was an unexploded bomb in the front yard - her family was very well off and lived in one of the best neighborhoods in the area. The discussions we had about life in general and about religion in that area really opened my eyes. THEY DO NOT RESPECT HUMAN LIFE, any more than the gangbangers in major cities do.



The cool thing for the rich Lebanese boys to do was to go Syrian hunting with high-powered sniper rifles. Running around on top of buildings at night they would pick off Syrian troops at checkpoints for fun. This girl's brother is now a doctor here in the states - can you say Hippocritic Oath?



One night before they left her and her mother were watching TV when a grenade was thrown through the front window of their house. It rolled under the couch they were sitting on. They looked at each other, shrugged, and went back to watching the show on TV. Her brother came down the hall wondering what the noise was - they calmly told him there was a grenade under the couch. He fished it out, determined the pin had not been pulled, decided it wasn't a dud, and kept it for later use. And these are what we would consider perfectly normal people. Their mindset is a result of the environment they had to live in.



Until you REALLY understand where they are coming from and what they are taught you cannot understand their world view. To them America is not the Land of Opportunity, it is the Great Satan, and as such, it must be brought down.



If you don't understand it, fear it and try to get rid of it.

 

[NVR FNSH]

rrausch - Remember the Crusades? Militant behavior does not belong to one religion..... Unless I read the passages/book about it I'm not going to take someone else's word that "it's true ok". I don't believe that muslims have the market cornered on killing your daughter for disgracing you. I seem to remember something about wives in India being killed if their dowry is large enough. Hindu is the predominate religion over there I believe.



redramnc - I've worked with guys from the middle east. The stories they have made the hair on my neck stand up. One of the guys was Palestinian and he worked on the F-18 program. He wouldn't/couldn't go to Israel for testing because he feared for his life. I agree with you that they are a product of their environment - I shudder at the thought of how I'd turn out if I had grown up in that type of environment. We - US born/raised - will NEVER understand that mentality. The thing that struck me as odd about the middle east was the requirements that certain political offices be held by members of certain religions/sects - I don't know the particulars I'm only relating what I was told. I believe the difference between us & them is the separation of church & state.