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No, NVR FNSH, I don't remember the Crusades. I believe the last one occurred about 700 years before I was born. I do remember Pan Am Flight 103, I remember the Kabar Towers Marine barracks in Beirut, I remember the Pentagon massacre, and the World Trade massacre. I remember Danny Pearl.



Yes, obviously there were Crusades, some good, some bad. Every religion goes through it's own dark ages. Christianity did. But look how much good has been done by the men & women of Christian Faith over the last 2,000 years. Western Civilization owes it very existance to the Irish Catholic Monks & Priests of about the 8-10th Century who brought books & learning back into Europe after the dark ages. By ANY standard of measurement Christianity has done IMMENSE good in this world over the last 2000 years, building hospitals, churches, schools, civilizations etc. etc.



What good has the Muslim world wrought?

What harm has the Muslim world wrought?

If you investigate this question you will begin to understand why the Spanish kicked the Muslims out of Spain. You will begin to understand why Charlemagne ousted them from Europe.



You know, there used to be 2 Christian Worlds, the Western Christian world of Europe and the Eastern Christian world which encompassed Russia and the entire eastern part of the Mediterranean. The Eastern Christian world was called Byzantium and it's Capitol was Constantinople. Muslim extremists exterminated almost all of the Eastern Christian world (except Russia), putting to death all Christian men, women, and children alike. It took 'em a couple of hundred of years to do it, but hey, they only had swords then.



This militaristic murderous culture hasn't changed much in a thousand years. They still yearn to kill us, they teach their children hatred and killing, they teach hatred in their mosques. UNTIL this ceases, I suggest it is a good idea to keep these people out of our country. UNTIL this ceases, I suggest it might be a good idea to protect ourselves and our world from them.



I can walk into ANY Christian church in this country and I guanantee you the preacher/priest/reverand will not be telling people to go out and kill the Muslims. THAT is the difference between Islam and Christianity. Until this changes we MUST protect ourselves.
 
Here is the quote I was looking for:

Posted by jwgary on 9/17/01 - https://www.turbodieselregister.com...25047&perpage=15&highlight=koran&pagenumber=2



From the Qur'an 9:29:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,

Nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His

apostle,

Nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the people

of the Book,

Until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves

subdued.



See this link for Jizya -http://askjeeves.com/main/metaAnswer. asp?t=m&s=a&qcategory=jeev&en=directhit&o=0&frames=True&url=http%3A%2F%2Fask%2Edirecthit%2Ecom%2Ffcgi%2Dbin%2Fredirurl%2Efcg%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eummah%2Enet%2Fwhat%2Dis%2Dislam%2Fwar%2Fwar6%2Ehtm%26qry%3DJizya%26rnk%3D1%26cz%3D3ad8b10ac62ddc9c%26src%3DDH%5FASK%5FSRCH%26uid%3D0B9F1C76F3EB8DEC3%26sid%3D11DD9C76F3EB8DEC3%26u%3D&ac=24&pt=The+Poll+Tax+%28Jizya%29&dm=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eummah%2Enet%2Fwhat%2Dis%2Dislam%2Fwar%2Fwar6%2Ehtm&io=0&qid=A15B71BDD147E145BCBFBDB1B886B5D1&back=ask%3DJizya%26o%3D0&ask=Jizya&dt=020523174228 -



It sounds a lot like what the various missionaries - mormon, Jesuit, Baptist etc - try to accomplish. Again, I ask someone to show me where the Koran specifically tells Muslims to KILL non-muslims.



Brian
 
You can never out-hate a fundamentalist!!! We need to go another route.



Don~




Special note to Don M: Don! Some peace-loving Commie has stolen your password and is posting on the TDR site. :D :) ;) :p
 
I dont see why pilots shouldnt be allowed to carry... . after all why not let them have a chance at the terrorist.

The all knowing, all caring govt will let an F-15 blow the jet full of 300 passengers out of the sky though... ... ... . dont make sence? :confused:

I cant see why ANY mentally compitent, firearms proficient citizen shouldnt have the right to defend him/her self.

As far as terrorists scoping targets out, I dont know if they'd be stupid enough to take pictures in broad daylight, in public.

Eric
 
Eric,

I tend to agree with you about letting pilots carry firearms. I don't see any downside to that. However, I do question the abilty of a pilot/co-pilot who is sitting at the front of the plane with his back to all the passengers, strapped in to the seat to be very effective against a hi-jacking attempt. I think that undercover armed 'air marshals' would be much more effective. I realize that air marshalls are additional personnel but I just can't see the pilots being that effective.



Brian
 
Ok, NVR FNSH, here is a few quotes from the Koran. Took me over 3 hours to look this stuff up. Please also see my new "other" thread, "Islam & the Koran"



Surah 9:5 in the Koran says, "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. " All non-believers of Islam are the "Pagans" that this refers to.



Surah 5:51 says, "O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. " According to this we can’t even be "friends" of the Muslims!



Surah 8:60 says, "Against them (unbelievers) make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. " Strike terror into your enemies? Does this sound familiar?



Surah 9:29 says, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " I don’t think it can be any clearer than this! This simply states that they are to fight all who do not believe in Allah!
 
Originally posted by rrausch

You can never out-hate a fundamentalist!!! We need to go another route.



Don~




Special note to Don M: Don! Some peace-loving Commie has stolen your password and is posting on the TDR site. :D :) ;) :p



My sentence must have gotten lost in the interpretation.

Expanding a bit: We cannot hate as long and hard as they do. For the most part we follow a set of rules many of them do not.

Morality is not always their keeper. I cant hate another race or group like some Muslims enough to kill their children in school. Enough to flatten their buildings in cold blood or enough to kill myself in hopes of killing a few of them. Those ideas get lost in my code, so to speak.

Robert, you still sore about the ATS transmission thread? ;)



Islam is not always interpreted to mean the same thing by all its followers. Thank goodness. We are already up to our elbows in alligators now.



Don~
 
Naw, Don... I got over it and forgave you in Christian Love!:)

But you're lucky I'm not a Muslim... you what the penalty is for heretics! LOL



Thanks for expanding on your post. I completely agree with you. That kind of hatred is something we of Western Civilization have trouble comprehending.

Well, the pre WWII Japanese were killers too, they had suicide bombers, and fanatics and we triumphed over them. Of course we had a stronger, more conservative, more moral America then.
 
Originally posted by NVR FNSH

Eric,

I tend to agree with you about letting pilots carry firearms. I don't see any downside to that. However, I do question the abilty of a pilot/co-pilot who is sitting at the front of the plane with his back to all the passengers, strapped in to the seat to be very effective against a hi-jacking attempt. I think that undercover armed 'air marshals' would be much more effective. I realize that air marshalls are additional personnel but I just can't see the pilots being that effective.



Brian



I agree on just about everything you said, but what I dont understand is, why would allow an American fighting military aircraft splash a commercial air bus full of americans, but not allow the people on board a fighting chance? Or at least their choice if they'd like to fight... ... .

Just dont make sence to me... ... ... .

Eric

PS It's unrealistic to think we could employ that many air marshals... ... :rolleyes:
 
Eric,

I think the pilots/cockpit crew - maybe the entire crew for that matter - should be allowed or even required to be armed. It's just that to me the guys in the cockpit (at the front of the plane with their backs to everyone else) are not in the best position (literally the physical location) to prevent a hi-jacking.



Adding an air marshall to every flight is just the cost of doing business these days. Effectively you would only be adding an additional one or two crew members per flight so the cost that each ticket holder sees would be insignificant.



Brian
 
Thing that concerns me about pilots carrying guns is a stray shot decompressing the cabin. Seems like a tazer or stun gun would be more appropriate.
 
Bill, that's a myth. A bullet hole, or even a few wont result in passengers getting sucked out of the plane. Only in the movies.

The pressure system will maintain pressure, at least long enough for the flight crew to lower the altitude.



Brian, what I mean is, I dont think the Govt could/would employ that many air marshals to occupy every commercial flight. That would be almost a second army.

I DO like the idea of the entire flight crew being armed.

I think we could borrow a page from the Israel's on this one. How many Israele flights get hijacked? None!!! Granted, their commercial air industry is but a spec compared to ours, but who hates the Israele's and would love nothing more than screw with them? Same dudes screwing with us.

Eric
 
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