Modded CP3 is on - Dyno and review:

[Blacksdieselhp]

I got all my an fittings and hose from Summit Racing and Jegs. On my 2001 I used all #8 fittings and braided hose, but with the holes in the fuel filter and the pump being so small, I used #6 socketless fittings and aeroquip socketless hose on all my other trucks. Its not as pretty but a lot cheaper. I didn't notice any difference between the sizes. But even with the bigger banjo fittings, they still seem like a restriction to me, as the fuel has to be forced through the banjo fitting and with the an fittings, it can flow through a lot smoother. I have no flow tests or dyno #s to prove that. Only the results in fuel pressure I have gotten from every truck I've put them on. Pressure was more consistent on every truck I've put them on. My truck will definately be getting them when I upgrade my fuel system.

 

[Tomeygun]

I got all my an fittings and hose from Summit Racing and Jegs. On my 2001 I used all #8 fittings and braided hose, but with the holes in the fuel filter and the pump being so small, I used #6 socketless fittings and aeroquip socketless hose on all my other trucks. Its not as pretty but a lot cheaper. I didn't notice any difference between the sizes. But even with the bigger banjo fittings, they still seem like a restriction to me, as the fuel has to be forced through the banjo fitting and with the an fittings, it can flow through a lot smoother. I have no flow tests or dyno #s to prove that. Only the results in fuel pressure I have gotten from every truck I've put them on. Pressure was more consistent on every truck I've put them on. My truck will definately be getting them when I upgrade my fuel system.

I wont lie, this "AN" vs NPT is getting to me - I guess I need to pick which regulator and then go from there. Some have AN fittings, some have Male pipe thread fittings... getting confusing.



AN 10 is like 1/2 nich right?

 

[CRiggan]

I thought 8 AN was 1/2 inch?



Im thinking of also converting the banjo's to AN fittings



All 1/2 including:



pickup tube in tank

tank to pump fittings and hose

pump to fuel filter at engine

fuel filter to CP3



All 1/2 inch at 40psi with fass 150gph



I just have to find the an fittings to go into the pump and into the fuel filter housing and cp3 that will allow for 1/2" hose

 

[Tomeygun]

I thought 8 AN was 1/2 inch?



Im thinking of also converting the banjo's to AN fittings



All 1/2 including:



pickup tube in tank

tank to pump fittings and hose

pump to fuel filter at engine

fuel filter to CP3



All 1/2 inch at 40psi with fass 150gph



I just have to find the an fittings to go into the pump and into the fuel filter housing and cp3 that will allow for 1/2" hose

found this on aeromotive's website:



Here are some of the common army/navy (AN) line and thread specifications: -04 AN line = 4/16” = 1/4” hard line. –04 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 7/16” -20 TPI. -06 AN line = 6/16” = 3/8” hard line. –06 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 9/16” -18 TPI. -08 AN line = 8/16” = 1/2” hard line. –08 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 3/4” -16 TPI. -10 AN line = 10/16” = 5/8” hard line. –10 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 7/8” -14 TPI. -12 AN line = 12/16” = 3/4” hard line. –12 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 1-1/16”-12 TPI.

 

[csutton7]

-06AN = 3/8''

-08AN = 1/2''

-10AN = 5/8''



NPT is different from AN but you can get the fittings to go from NPT to AN--chris

 

[Tomeygun]

-06AN = 3/8''

-08AN = 1/2''

-10AN = 5/8''



NPT is different from AN but you can get the fittings to go from NPT to AN--chris

hahaha - hmmm... so I guess -10AN might be overkill?

The current system I have is 3/8 (o. d. I guess) hose, and the pump takes a 1/2 NPT thread



SOOO... . I guess I need to find like a "1/2 NPT x -10AN line"



Ohh boy, tomorrow will be all about screwing around at work, I can already tell... hahahaha

 

[onestackdram]

Does anyone have the CP3 stage 2 ?



Will it be a daily driver type pump as far as injector, rail, and engine longevity?



Even if I did not use it to its potential, I wonder would it be better money spent on the cp3 or elsewhere.



just thinking on line !! LOL

Stage 2 is a completely streetable pump. The difference will be you will simply run your box(s) on lower power levels. Meaning that you can purchase a stage 2 now, and run it everyday with no worries, and then when it comes time to put it down just turn your boxes back up. Now later stages after no. 2 are looking to be un streetable, but time and testing will tell on that, at this point.



Russell

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

Well the reason I went to -6 instead of -8 is the ports in the pump and filter are so small, it really defeats the purpose doesn't it? The fittings that go in the pump and filter are called webber fittings, size 12x1. 50 I believe. I am thinking of running -8 lines on my 2005 just in case they decide to open up the holes in the modded cp3s.

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

Actaully, I was looking at some fittings I had in my tool box friday and I had a couple of -6 webber fittings and some -8 webber fittings and the inside diameter of the -8 was actually smaller than the -6. I wonder why they would have made them like that. That makes no sense.

 

[CRiggan]

I would like to run one size larger than the fass 150 pump's outlet is.



I think I can run 1/2 in and 1/2 out

 

[JoshWelsh]

How do these CP3 differ from ATS version? I rode in one of there customers that just had one done in it and they did the same mods as mine but added tyeir cp3 and that thing ripped on the top end. I am almost sold on ATS, but want to know how much is this and what are the benefits over this vs. ATS's?

 

[Diesel Power]

shoot me a pm and i will talk more in depth with you Oo.

 

[Tomeygun]

How do these CP3 differ from ATS version? I rode in one of there customers that just had one done in it and they did the same mods as mine but added tyeir cp3 and that thing ripped on the top end. I am almost sold on ATS, but want to know how much is this and what are the benefits over this vs. ATS's?

From what I've read, the ATS sp3 mod only works when you go wide open thottle (that actuates a relay that turns on the extra fass pump)



One thing is the $$$$ -- I think thiers is like $2700+



There are quite a few things I dont know about the ATS system, It would be cool for an ATS guy to jump on tell us a little

 

[onestackdram]

While i personally wouldn't mind knowing how ATS does their pump, I absolutely don't want this thread nor any of the others to turn into a brand bashing deal. This is supposed to be a question and answer type of deal, let's not turn this into something it shouldn't be.



Just a preemptive thought

 

[BCarmicle]

What affects are these pumps having on EGTs?



I think Tomeygun said his EGTs and boost were slightly lower at cruising speeds, but are they higher, lower, or about the same @ WOT?

 

[GWoody]

Well, John done the pump mod on my truck this weekend. I think it was the first 600 to have this exact mod. It's really hard to explain what this does to the powerband but I'll try. From a dead stop to 50 or 60 mph with the ez set on the lowest setting it feels like the ez is on 3, there is deffinatley more smoke. If you set the ez on 3 its like you gained a 4th setting. The mid range and upper end is better but not as much difference as on the bottom end. There is a strecth of road I occasionally hammer it to see if anything has changed on the truck, I ussually hit 88 to 90 mph pretty consistentley, ez on 3, tst 6x6, today 95 mph, it had to have gained some hp. I only had about 1/4 tank of fuel when the mod was first done, the air dog would pull down from 16 lb to 14 lb at wot ez on 3 tst 6x6. With a full tank it loses less than 1 lb at wot. Don't know why the FASS systems drop pressure and the Air Dog doesn't, and I'm plumbed through the factory filter also. Maybe it has something to do with the way this mod is done, I know John told me it was a little more advanced than some of the others. I do intend on shimming my spring at the pump to raise it to 25 lbs or so, I know it can't hurt and maybe it will help the performance a little. No noticable difference in egt or fuel milage. Haven't tried anything above 6x6 yet, that's when I'll probably see FP drop more. I've been running a SPA rail gauge for about 8 months, ez on 3 tst 6x6, rolling 55 mph, mash the throttle hard but not hard enough to drop a gear and I could pull the rail pressure down to around 9 to 10 thousand from 19000 and it took several seconds and rpm building for it to recover to 19000. It wouldn't max the gauge out at 26700 till about 100 mph, now same scenario, the pressure drops to around 12 to 13 thousand, recovery is much quicker and I'm seeing 26700 by about 80 to 85 mph. The throttle response is much better, before, you could really feel the truck pick up power then a flat spot till the rail pressure had time to build back up, that flat spot is still there but not near as long or as abrubt. Overall the best way to describe it is, the mod feels like you just put your ez box on for the first time. Remeber how that felt, it was like wow, this thing will run. We get used to all this extra power and then when you do something like this and it adds just a little more, I'm back to thinking, wow! But truthfully it's given me the stage 2 itch, gotta go scratch now.

 

[Tomeygun]

What affects are these pumps having on EGTs?



I think Tomeygun said his EGTs and boost were slightly lower at cruising speeds, but are they higher, lower, or about the same @ WOT?

It feels like at the same HP levels - My EGTS are lower. - though its hard to tell cause the 66mm turbo runs a it hot on the low end, but cool on the top. Heck i never see 1300 unless I am on 9x9



I'm guessing because of better atomization



SIDE - NOTE: I looked at my EZ today only to find that it was on level one. YUCK! I should have cranked it up to see if that would have bettered my numbers - I am guessing not due to FP, BTW - my 150gph pump will be here tomorrow, and regulator will be here wednesday - ITs BOMB'in TIME!

 

[Tomeygun]

But truthfully it's given me the stage 2 itch, gotta go scratch now.

Boy do I know what you mean...



Stage one not even cooled down from the ride home and I'm guessing how awesome stage 2 will be Oo. :-laf

 

[Diesel Power]

the stage 2 is pretty nice, will provide about 2 times the fuel a stage 1 will. it made for all out power. Oo.

 

[CATCRACKER]

the stage 2 is pretty nice, will provide about 2 times the fuel a stage 1 will. it made for all out power. Oo.

yea it will make 6 horsepower :-{} :-laf