Competition monster VP!!!!!!

[DerekW]

if we think its a small shop doing this monster VP then I might have a suggestion that may be way off or right on since nobody seems to be talking. I dont have a phone to call floor-it diesel. but on their home page it shows they rebuild cp3's in house to stage 1-2-3 levels. this leads me to believe they have a advanced understanding how an injection pump works and advanced capabilities with them (talking about injection pumps in general not just the vp or cp3). you might try them. if i spoiled someones secret than I am sorry nobody seems to be talking about this skunkwerks Monster VP project and I am tired of reading through the 10 pages of crap and still not knowing a dern thing or having actual 100% confirmation who's got it and who doesn't. yes I have contributed too but I in the end I am looking for the same answers as many on here. I wanna see gus's truck at least idle, rev up in neutral, or do a quick burnout in his shop parking lot (i am not suggesting the street as a proving grounds). I sure as hell dont want to wait until may 12the to see gus's truck run and take his own trophy for a diesel class he sponsored.

 

[csutton7]

you aren't going to just bolt a pair of these on to our trucks without dumping major $$$$$===new head + pumps + ECM + PCM + wiring harness + injector lines + exhaust manifold + downpipe + innercooler pipe from turbo + what ever else I'm not thinking off----might as well buy a new truck----chris

 

[csutton7]

It's not John that I know---and although I'm not sure about FloorIt Diesel there are many companies that say the in-house thing and they still get their parts from another source--it's just tied to them sometimes and sometimes it's specifically---so don't get to wrapped up in that "in-house" statement---Early on John looked into trying to run twin VP's and I don't think it workded or it would've been out there---





It is a small shop, but I don't know how small, the 3 companies selling it had input into the pump that's why they are the only one's who have it along with maybe a couple of guys representing those shops---IMO there's not a quick turnaround on these things as there's no stock---they're building them as cores come available---#'s will be posted as soon as some more internet savy guys get them on their trucks and post the info--no sooner no later---chris

 

[getblown5.9]

you aren't going to just bolt a pair of these on to our trucks without dumping major $$$$$===new head + pumps + ECM + PCM + wiring harness + injector lines + exhaust manifold + downpipe + innercooler pipe from turbo + what ever else I'm not thinking off----might as well buy a new truck----chris

lets mention that a 3rd gen head wont work on a 2nd gen block due to changes in oil/coolant passages so it blows the entire idea out the window without a total motor swap.

 

[silverram323]

Spicy Jam--so it was just a pump exchange that netted this difference??? was the original VP in good working order or on it's way out?? any other things fixed between pump changes?? not trying to be a pain here, but I think it's legit to ask all pertinent questions so everyone is all on the same page---the #'s I posted above were from just a pump change and nothing more according to the originator of the info----



only a few guys know the guy who's doing the pump work and they're not talking as of yet---I only know what I've read and talking to quite of few people and digging deep, but I still don't know who is making the pump---I know it's a small shop and that there's new electronics involved--I believe the guy is doing some internal stuff that's one off stuff, but again I can't be 100% sure--- he will be found out very soon as a few of these pumps are out there in various stages and reports will come forth, but with the places selling them I have a hard time believing it's all smoke and mirrors, but we will see---it also may be that the pumps full potential isn't being seen with the trucks set up that have dyno'd---I've been given different info on how to set up the truck, so I'm leaving that for each person to talk to the vendor about--- our best bet for legit info is AFarmer and GDMRTN it seems --I should have one very soon in my hands and I'll post my findings as soon as I can legitimately back them up--but I too have some truck work to accomplish before she gets slapped in to action--I just hope it's what it seems and yes I've takin a leap of faith--been a long time since I laid my wallet on the line for something this controversial -----chris

Chris, This was just a VP change. My stock VP was less then a year old with 8,000 miles on it. It was a good unit. Oh Also spicy Jam was wrong on the dyno number too. It was a 148. 75 hp and 276. 6 ft torque was the improvement. here are the dyno sheets. There are two runs on one sheet. one is box on and box off.

 

[csutton7]

getblown5. 9--thanks... . I totally spaced on the heads being different on the oil/coolant passages---



silverram323---thanks for posting that----chris

 

[Timbeaux38]

Yeah you nailed it. Stupid question

I am betting thats an inline pump on Tom's truck (but who knows these days?).
Sure did look and sound good going down the track.

I was funning with Tom and The BPD crew over the PA and told the crowd that Tom had a"Special inline VP44" I had no Idea folks would take that seriously :-laf

Of course, I also said that he had a special horizontal wooden pulling clevis, whittled by an Amish guy too :-laf

 

[RossA]

I was funning with Tom and The BPD crew over the PA and told the crowd that Tom had a"Special inline VP44" I had no Idea folks would take that seriously :-laf



Of course, I also said that he had a special horizontal wooden pulling clevis, whittled by an Amish guy too :-laf

i wonder what kind of blinker fluid he is running? wonder if its synthetic or not lol.

 

[KevinH]

if anyone can do a monster vp it would be columbus diesel supply. it is where all of the tractor pullers get their pumps and turbos and i beleive it is EEP's pump shop also atleast they have a link for them. they have a complete billet p7100 for $15000 and $10,000 turbos



Injection Pumps

 

[csutton7]

EEP isn't it or they would be selling these things and if Columbus was involved there'd be more than just 3 places to get these pumps and they'd be selling them themselves--it's a small shop with someone who can machine the crap out of stuff that the others don't want to touch---chris

 

[DCreed]

i dont want a $15,000 pump i just want one that'll run as long as my truck motor or is rebuildable/upgradable at a REASONABLE price . how much added power do u get for 15k ? will it run for 2-300,000 mi. ? can it even go on the street? or is the only research being done for high $ race only guys??

 

[csutton7]

I know they've fixed at least 1 of these pumps so the repairable part can be done and that is extremely good, but I'm sure that at some point there will some that can't be fixed, because when you get enuff product out there guys will try things and they will break them--now you ask why did this one need fixing--well because the buyer didn't heed what he was told on setup---to lie about your setup to the seller will only earn you the ability to dig into your wallet for repairs on the stage 2 & 3 at least---also it doesn't mean that some people won't get lucky and their pumps will have no issues by not adhering to what they were told about the setup---the stage 1 will most likely be what a lot of guys will buy, because the others are to require bigger lines/crossovers and injectors with the stage 3 needing the biggest and baddest, but still a daily driver according to AFarmer, but even that will have to determined by each and everyone themselves-----chris

 

[DCreed]

iknow guys that drive blown t-buckets every day it doesnt make them practical. i still dont get why the electronics are internal? its unrealistic(though some do it) to carry a spare 44 ,but a plug in external module would be great! it would make sense in marketing to make a punp that performs AND lasts!!

 

[csutton7]

I agree that moving the electronics would be extremely wise, but again there's some reason it's not been done--but maybe this new pump will resurrect interest in the VP and maybe just maybe someone will figure it out---probably gonna have to hold your breath a long time though---chris

 

[AFarmer]

I've been driving mine around a lot lately. Guess I'm just glad to be back and running again. Can't wait til you get yours Chris. You're gonna be very impressed.

 

[Jetpilot]

Lets see some dyno numbers... ... Inquiring folks are curious.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

iknow guys that drive blown t-buckets every day it doesnt make them practical. i still dont get why the electronics are internal? its unrealistic(though some do it) to carry a spare 44 ,but a plug in external module would be great! it would make sense in marketing to make a punp that performs AND lasts!!

Apparently, lots of guys STILL don't know or understand that replacement of the VP-44 electronics module ALSO involves several internally attached sensors, solenoids and such - and that the necessary replacement of all those along with the module would pretty much involve a total teardown of the VP-44 - after which there would also be the required recalibration to synchronize the pump mechanical internals to the replacement electronics - it is NO a simple "Plug-and-play"!



The frequently suggested "why not replace just the module" notion is getting lots like the "Ford owns Cummings" one... :-laf



We may not LIKE the fact the module isn't easily and independantly replaceable - but it ISN'T, so that's that!

 

[csutton7]

Gary--thanks---chris

 

[BILLVO]

or is the only research being done for high $ race only guys??

This is the "Competition" forum.

 

[DerekW]

I've been driving mine around a lot lately. Guess I'm just glad to be back and running again. Can't wait til you get yours Chris. You're gonna be very impressed.

GUS- We still that video you promised us!!!! wheres it at? I cant make the oakboro pull so I am would like to see it here!!!! video