Mopar oil filter

[Gary - K7GLD]

OOooops - gotta get out my cleaning rag and take care of that!

But, not bad for a 20 year old truck!

 

[Cummins12V98]

I've used fleetguard for years as primary full-flow filter - but have also continuously used a Frantz bypass filter on both the oil and fuel filters... Best way I know of actually testing filter efficiency, is having oil analysis done at oil change interval - but truth is, for most, the Cummins will outlast most owners in actual ownership time periods, regardless of filter brand used.View attachment 133155

I temper Stephan setting at his fest telling me about the new SS intake horn he was going to start selling.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

YUP - I believe the one in my pic was the prototype - he sent it to me to check out and report on - only downside in my case, was that you have to remove the intake heater block to effectively use the SS intake - and sometimes the nightime outdoor temps get down to zero here - but I don't use the truck much in the winter anyway. Here's a closup:

 

[SAndreasen]

You are fixating on the wrong aspects of a filter.

At this point all I can say is that you should leave filter classification to people that understand filters and media. Just take their word for it.

100 pleats of the the wrong media is still worse than 50 pleats of the correct media.

Nothing specific to Wix, just filters in general.

no matter how many pleats it has they should be evenly spaced around the filter . You obviously know nothing about filters

 

[SAndreasen]

maybe you should reread what i said and try again.

Maybe you should look at the filters genius . The pleats should be evenly spaced around the entire filter

 

[SAndreasen]

Show me where on those filters are the pleats not evenly spaced like mine ? Have you ever cut a wix oil filter apart yourself no you haven’t or you would see a cheap plastic seal. I don’t know where you by filters but the wix dealer only shows gold and xe I always get the gold .

 

[SAndreasen]

I've used fleetguard for years as primary full-flow filter - but have also continuously used a Frantz bypass filter on both the oil and fuel filters... Best way I know of actually testing filter efficiency, is having oil analysis done at oil change interval - but truth is, for most, the Cummins will outlast most owners in actual ownership time periods, regardless of filter brand used.View attachment 133155

I use to do an oil analysis every oil change was going 15000 miles and never got one high number on any of the contaminates every . The fleetgard filter has a rubber seal between the filter and the can which is what keeps the oil from just bypassing the filter altogether the wix has a cheap hard plastic seal between the outer can and the filter element

 

[NIsaacs]

The fleetgard filter has a rubber seal between the filter and the can which is what keeps the oil from just bypassing the filter altogether the wix has a cheap hard plastic seal between the outer can and the filter element

This video compares the Fleetguard v/s Napa Cummins oil filter. I don't see a problem with the plastic seal and heavy spring v/s the rubber seal and light spring. Pretty sure they both seal fine.

 

[SAndreasen]

I have always used wix because it’s easy to get just disappointed in the recent quality bubba never did anything to actually test the springs

 

[NIsaacs]

I have always used wix because it’s easy to get just disappointed in the recent quality bubba never did anything to actually test the springs

Maybe the quality went down when Mann took over. I still use them on all my equipment. Oil, fuel, hydraulic and air. What I like about Napa is they will have them in stock or can get them overnight.

 

[SAndreasen]

Maybe the quality went down when Mann took over. I still use them on all my equipment. Oil, fuel, hydraulic and air. What I like about Napa is they will have them in stock or can get them overnight.

That’s what I like I get them tight from the wix dealer but now I buy the nopar because irs on the shelf at my farm store

 

[AH64ID]

no matter how many pleats it has they should be evenly spaced around the filter . You obviously know nothing about filters

Haha. This thread is comical, if nothing else.

The only guy in here who obviously knows nothing about filters is the guy who started it.

Please educate us on what effect even spacing of media does to enhance filtration efficiency? Go ahead, I’ll wait.

…or I’ll just debunk your myth. While aesthetically pleasing The media doesn’t have to be evenly spaced to work as intended. No that doesn’t mean you can have 95% of the media in 10% of the filter, but spacing variances also don’t mean issues, especially with any of the photos you have posted.

Remember, I won’t touch a Wix filter with a 10’ pole, but I do know a thing or two about filters and how they work.

 

[SAndreasen]

Haha. This thread is comical, if nothing else.

The only guy in here who obviously knows nothing about filters is the guy who started it.

Please educate us on what effect even spacing of media does to enhance filtration efficiency? Go ahead, I’ll wait.

…or I’ll just debunk your myth. While aesthetically pleasing The media doesn’t have to be evenly spaced to work as intended. No that doesn’t mean you can have 95% of the media in 10% of the filter, but spacing variances also don’t mean issues, especially with any of the photos you have posted.

Remember, I won’t touch a Wix filter with a 10’ pole, but I do know a thing or two about filters and how they work.

For one thing uneven spaced Media means less media I’m sure you can figure that out for another it means less holding capacity because there isn’t as much media . Why don’t you just buy a filter with a single wrap or material then ?

 

[Tuesdak]

I have walked over Wix Duramax fuel filters sucking air at the WIF threads. The GM Dealer noted that several others had the sender fall clean out.

Maybe the quality went down when Mann took over.

Oh yeah, the same company that ran Purolator into the ground. You know the bad rash of torn media pictures all over the internet better known as Tear-O-Laters.

The Oil filters were a step above FRAM. But now, like a box of chocolates you never know what you are going to get: Purolator in a Wix painted can or whatever they toss in the Wix/NAPA box now.

My Condolences. Wix sold out your 50 years of experience to the highest bidder that wants to make their money back now.

 

[AH64ID]

For one thing uneven spaced Media means less media I’m sure you can figure that out for another it means less holding capacity because there isn’t as much media . Why don’t you just buy a filter with a single wrap or material then ?

Sorry, but you’re really not following the fact that there are different types of media and they are not created equal, nor that you can’t fully judge a filter by looking at it.

You bet I’d run a single wrap if the media warranted it, but that’s because I know there are different medias and understand that they work differently.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Sometimes hard to get across the basic fact - the denser the filter material, the finer it will filter out various unwanted particles. SO, in a given space, usually cylindrical for oil filters, a decent filter must provide a reasonable degree of filtration, at a specific rate of flow passing thru it - thus, one maker may well use lesser square inches of filter material, as compared to another brand using more of a different folter media who uses more square inches - and few of us have the required education or equipment to make a decent analysis. Then, actual construction is another parameter that MIGHT be reasonably judged, such as bypass valve material or constriction, filter gasket, etc., etc.

Thus, some of us rely on the best - in our *opinion*, value and quality in the full flow filter - and then add some sort of bypass filter, that uses a very dense filter media - but at a very slow flow rate - but extremely high rate of filtration ability. This method provides reasonable filtration at the flow rate of the primary full flow filter - AND, the extremely high filtration provided by the bypass filter.

NO off-the-shelf full filter I have ever seen, will filter out the soot of burned diesel fuel - so oil will quickly turn black when only those filters are used - and while those soot particles may LOOK offensive, they, within reasonable limits - don't cause significant engine wear or damage. On the other hand, a decent added bypass filter IS capable of filtering out even most of hose extremely fine soot particles - as well as other more damaging engine wear particles - to the point that even after many thousands of miles on the used oil, the oil is still pretty transparent.

Here's what my oil - with use of bypass filtration - looks like after several thousand miles or so of freeway driving - lots of around town driving usually produces more soot due to changing engine speed and loads of stop/go driving - and yes, there IS oil on that dipstick:
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[AH64ID]

I’ve ran bypass filters on multiple rigs before and they do a great job of keeping the oil cleaner, but as diesel oil advances it’s becoming harder and harder to filter out soot particles. Modern oil has additives that don’t allow the soot particles to agglomerate, which reduces the wear they cause on an engine but it also makes it much more difficult to filter them out as a soot particle is sun micron in size and most bypass filters are absolute in the 2um range.

My 05 had a bypass filter and it made zero visible difference on the oil. 10 seconds after an oil change it was black as the night, but that’s mainly due to the piston design in the 04.5-07 5.9. After I went to 03/04 style marine pistons, aftermarket cam, aftermarket turbo, and better programming the oil would stay more translucent after a change but would still end up very black by the end, but at least it would go back to oil colored after a change, unlike with the stock pistons.

Due to the changes in oil I’ve opted not to put a bypass filter on my 18 as it would likely never provide any payback for its cost. The full flow I use is absolute at 15um and 59% at 7um, which is much better than the average filter and the average 6.7 doesn’t have oil related issues.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

One thing that helps keep my oil - and exhaust - cleaner, is the Edge Comp I have installed - with its many available fueling settings, and even the larger injectors, I can adjust fueling for most any driving situation. With the truck empty, I run the Comp on it's lowest setting, and get hardly any smoke out exhaust, actually significantly less than with the Comp switched off. With the Comp on higher settings, towing or empty - the power goes way up - and so does the smoke...

 

[AH64ID]

Stock tuning was smokey for me too, as was any Smarty setting. Luckily with UDC Pro I was able to eliminate any smoke and run cleaner than stock on a 415/850 to the ground tune.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

YUP - the newer trucks respond to tuners radically better than my generation...

Here's that dipstick pic that doesn't work further back: