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My 2001 3/4ton Dodge has a factory high output motor. Is the power achieved by mechanical means (i. e. injectors) or is it a computer enhancement? Or maybe both?



I am looking into upgrading my HP and torque for pulling an 11,000 lb. trailer. Has anyone used the Banks 6-Gun system? How does it compare with similar upgrades like Bullydog or Edge and others? How about cost vs. horsepower?



Since I'm in Nevada, where do you recommend having the upgrades installed and where can I buy them?
 
MD - Welcome to the TDR - you should create a signature with some basics on your truck to help us answer your questions / just tell us about your truck. General stuff like trans - auto or stick, 4X4 or no, etc. If you are looking for more power you will need to upgrade (eventually) the trans if an auto or the clutch if a stick. The Banks and other "systems" are plentiful and $$$. Best bang for bucks are (MHO) bigger sticks, exhaust, some type of fueling box, means to bring cooler air to the turbo. Gauges are the most important thing you can do FIRST - BEFORE ANY real performance mods - need to monitor egt as it gets out of control high quick depending on what you are doing. If you can't see it / don't know till something breaks $$$$ better to monitor and back off then smile till that's replaced by a frown. I'm sure more folks will chime in soon. Bombs away!
 
MDeLuca said:
My 2001 3/4ton Dodge has a factory high output motor. Is the power achieved by mechanical means (i. e. injectors) or is it a computer enhancement? Or maybe both?

I am looking into upgrading my HP and torque for pulling an 11,000 lb. trailer. Has anyone used the Banks 6-Gun system? How does it compare with similar upgrades like Bullydog or Edge and others? How about cost vs. horsepower?

Since I'm in Nevada, where do you recommend having the upgrades installed and where can I buy them?

Your 2001 HO truck (which came only with a 6-speed trans) has both electronic and mechanical means of power enhancement. But the only mechanical thing you can do is bigger injectors.

The Bank$ 6-gun system is only available for 2003 and newer Dodges, so that's not an option for you.

In general, you will find that BANK$ stuff is pretty good, but you can do JUST as well for a LOT LESS MONEY by choosing other products.




It won't take much to give your truck PLENTY of power to pull that 11K load with ease. Here's what I'd recommend:

First, guages. You MUST monitor at least EGT and fuel pressure. FP keeps an eye on your pump, while EGT makes sure everything is safe.

Then, airflow increases. This means 4" exhaust (with hi-flow muffler or none at all). For intake, there are a number of systems on the market. A good lower cost option is the BHAF (big honkin air filter), NAPA P/N 2790. It's also available as Donaldson B105006. Prices range from $30-$60 depending on where you buy it. For a higher-end option, there is the Scotty intake system from www.scottysystems. ca-- this is my personal favorite.

Once you've opened up the airflow a little bit, you can add more fueling (THIS is what will increase power). You can either do electronic stuff, like an add-on box or a custom ECM program, or you can do larger injectors-- OR BOTH:D

Larger injectors give smooth power delivery that doesn't strain the injection pump, but they have the disadvantage of not being able to be switched off. They are always on, and will permanently change the feel and response of the truck. Personally, I LOVE LARGE INJECTORS. THe higher-quality ones don't smoke much at all. I have 150hp injectors and they are very clean. Diesel Dynamics makes some decent injectors, but I'm MUCH more impressed with the F1 Diesel injectors I have now. They are the "Rolex" of injectors, imo. There are also a lot of guys reporting good results with Edge Jammer injectors, which I have no experience with. The Jammer injectors are lower cost than the F1 injectors are.

An add-on power box is very popular, and most can be switched off if you wish. TST, Edge, and Blue Chip are the biggest players.
www.tstproducts.com
www.edgeproducts.com
www.bluechipdiesel.com
Any power box that makes more than 70hp WILL violate your injection pump warranty!!! This may be a factor for you, because if you pump goes out, you'll have to eat the $1200 w/o warranty. Or, your warranty may be out anyway, so who cares.

There's also the option of a custom-programmed ECM. This is sort of like the injectors in that there's no way to switch it off. But it gives the truck off-the-line response like NOTHING ELSE-- period. No power chip on the market can do what the ECM can. TDR member Bob Wagner is the guy to talk to about ECMs, or visit www.wagnerandassociates. biz



Since you are in Nevada, I would *HIGHLY* recommend a trip to Diesel Dynamics in Las Vegas. They can sell you anything you can think of, from mild towing increases to 800hp wild! They sell Edge Products and have their own injectors, cams, nitrous systems, etc. They are one of a small handful of "one-stop" shops that can do everything from install a power box to rebuild the entire engine. They also dyno test things there, too. They can install your gauges for you and all that, too.

www.dieseldynamics.com

Check out the "configurator" from DD that tells you what you need for whatever hp you want.


PM me if you have more questions.

Justin
 
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If you are just looking for a small 70 HP increase I would go with a van Aaken V5 or R module. They are just as good if not better for mileage gain as compared to Edge or Bullydog and cost ALOT less. Also the VA gives good low end power so it works good for towing. You could also do some injectors like a 65 or 80 HP set.
 
Wow! Thanks, guys. That's more information than I've been able to get anywhere else. Will definitely check out Diesel Dynamics.
 
Send a PM to KLocklier here on TDR. He works at DD and is EXTREMELY knowledgable about the HO trucks.

The one thing that was mentioned in terms of monitoring, but not addressing, is the fuel pressure. There are several kits to replace the stock fuel lines with larger, better flowing lines. There are a few systems to completely get rid of the stock lift pump.

Cover the weak spots on your truck, ie fuel delivery to the VP44 injector pump, airflow in and out of the engine, stock clutch is next imo (mine wouldn't hold just the Edge Comp on level 3 while some hold 400hp) especially towing heavy.

I have also heard, but not personally seen, any negative effects of towing heavy with electronic boxes on the HO trucks. I tow 12k trailer with Edge box off in the hills and MAYBE level2 on flat ground. Injectors and turbo make plenty of power for towing. The box is more useful with Fords, Chevys and rice rockets with exhausts larger than my 5" tip!

Just remember, this BOMBing (Better Off Modified, Baby!) bug is addictive, so if you think level 1 injectors will work for you, get the level 4's to start! Adjustable electronic boxes cost more, but, as Justin said, the ability to turn the box up/down/on/off can be very helpful for different driving conditions.

... and last but not least, enjoy the heck out of your new truck (you won't BELIEVE you waited this long to modify the beast!)
 
Since you are in Nevada, I would *HIGHLY* recommend a trip to Diesel Dynamics in Las Vegas. They can sell you anything you can think of, from mild towing increases to 800hp wild! They sell Edge Products and have their own injectors, cams, nitrous systems, etc. They are one of a small handful of "one-stop" shops that can do everything from install a power box to rebuild the entire engine. They also dyno test things there, too. They can install your gauges for you and all that, too.



www.dieseldynamics.com



Check out the "configurator" from DD that tells you what you need for whatever hp you want.

Send a PM to KLocklier here on TDR. He works at DD and is EXTREMELY knowledgable about the HO trucks.



Exactly what I was gonna say. since your so close to DD anyways, you might as well take advantage. you wont find any better shops than them.



--Jeff
 
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