My PE4200 just took a dump!

[Mactruck]

Yes my PE4200 stopped pumping (While I was driving). Fuel pressure gauge went to minus PSI's about 5 miles from home after a 100 mile trip.

I had noticed lately that my pressure was lower than usual but it was still over 14 @ idle and just below 10 at WOT.



Bumped the starter after I got it home, NOT A PEEP out of it.



Darn it. This is PE pump #2 Thought this would last a bit longer.



I have to figure out what to do now. Call Massdiesel for a warranty or Just go for the FASS. (or perporator - whatever )



I hope I didn't damage my Injection pump for the last couple miles trying to get it home.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Mac, PE is standing behind the warranty. Replace it with Fass

 

[massdiesel]

HEY BOB

They wont warranty the older ones because they said they were not intended for diesel use the first ones. The ones in the last year they will. Had a couple heated discussions with them when i sold 25 kifuel pump kits and the out of that i had 3 still going now 2. I cant even keep one going in my race car from them. Hey Kevin give me a yell and let me see what i can do for you.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Scott only trying to help. I will get you more details

 

[Diesel Freak]

PE Pumps are failing. The internals are not made for continuous duty (they are Phenolic) The Bypass regulator ball seats against Aluminum... . that erodes.



Mine ate itself in two weeks. Now I have a Holley Black pump that will have a Kenne Bell boostapump running it.

 

[jwilliams3]

Flavor of the month products.

Aren't they just great?



--Justin

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by jwilliams3

Flavor of the month products.

Aren't they just great?



--Justin

lol. . no kidding!

 

[24V-DSL]

DF...

Tell us more about this system. Holley black is shown to be 140gph, but I can't find psi info.



Link for Kenne Bell?



thanks

 

[Diesel Freak]

The Holley Black is rated at 140 GPH, and is regulated to 15 psi.



The Kenne Bell Boostapump raises voltage to the pump by up to 50% during WOT conditions. Depending on how your truck is set up, you can use a Pressure switch to operate it. On my truck I will have it set to come on at 30 PSI of boost or WOT.



This is not to be used for continuous duty. The Boostapump is a competition only part.



http://www.kennebell.net/accessories/boostapump/boostapump.htm

 

[Archive]

Just for kicks...



Try to fix your PE by doing this:



Remove the plug on the inlet side of the pump. Behund it is a spring and checkball. Remove the spring, and carefully and slowly, stretch it a bit at a time until it is 2 1/4 inches long. Replace checkball and spring, screw in plug.



I did this and it is running great!



Disclaimer: Your results may vary!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Many are critical of the failure rate of the stock lift pumps - but on a failure-per-thousand units, it sure would be interesting to see if the several replacement types ere REALLY any better than the stock units...

 

[Mactruck]

Good point Gary. Rob, I will try that trick (couldn't hurt at this point)



Have a friend with a PE pump that I could throw on and solve my problem. But I'll just be counting down the minutes till It blows again. (with my luck, on the way to Muncie)

My overall feeling is that I'm going to a FASS system. However I have heard Mr. Kondolay has cooked up a fix that is intrigueing. (from the info I've heard) I'm not sure if I can wait that long. :{

 

[banshee]

Mactruck,



Don't feel bad. My Dad and I wasted 6 of them between the 2 of us. That doesn't include fiddling with them when they stopped running to get them going again. If pulling the spring out doesn't work (be careful of getting flooded with fuel when you do that BTW) try pulling out the brushes. They are located behind the black plugs on either side of the motor. Use a common screwdriver to pull out the plugs and pull the brushes out. If they are dirty and/or uneven clean them good and use a file to bevel any sharp edges or high spots on the face. When you reinstall them be sure to put them in the correct orientation with the revolution of the motor. I've gotten them refired for while doing that.



John

 

[Archive]

Getting a diesel fuel bath is a concern with my spring trick.



I use 4 quarters and two pairs of vise grips. Use a quarter on each side of the hose, pinch the hose over the quarters. This prevents the hose from getting marred.



It will still leak a bit, but not a lot.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Mactruck,

Actually one of the sponsors of Bill's racecar is the company that owns this pump system. Bill has been involved in the R&D process as we have been working with them for over 9 months on the system and then I lost my dodge in the accident which made it tougher to finish the testing. These are race car guys that have $1500 type fuel systems on their cars that saw a solution for the Diesel industry guys as they watched me personally lose 4 lift pumps and 3 injection pumps. The trick has been to modify the system and have it be cost effective for the diesel guys. I know you guys have been hearing rumors about this product and that is because a few of the test mules have been TDR member trucks. This company I know has been very specific about what we were and were not allowed to do and say before their release date. They have allowed me to say they are about 2-3 weeks from their release date to the diesel industry. Their web info. and distributor info. should be available then.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Rob Hanson

Getting a diesel fuel bath is a concern with my spring trick.



I use 4 quarters and two pairs of vise grips. Use a quarter on each side of the hose, pinch the hose over the quarters. This prevents the hose from getting marred.



It will still leak a bit, but not a lot.

Rob, just be quick... remove the spring and re-install the plug finger tight.

 

[banshee]

Another solution to the PE bypass problem is to turn the entire bottom plate around. The fuel pressure (~22psi) + the spring tension will then hold the ball in place and it won't start sagging the pressure. It worked great on my last PE pump until the motor burned up... LOL.

 

[Mactruck]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

Mactruck,

This company I know has been very specific about what we were and were not allowed to do and say before their release date. They have allowed me to say they are about 2-3 weeks from their release date to the diesel industry. Their web info. and distributor info. should be available then.

Thanks Stefan. I knew their was a bit of secrecy. That was the reason I was so vague.



I'm still on the fence - can't make up my mind.



Oh does anyone know if their is a difference between the FASS and the preporator. I know it's Father VS son in reference to the comanies but is their a difference???



Thanks

Kevin "Mac"

 

[Hohn]

Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q

Many are critical of the failure rate of the stock lift pumps - but on a failure-per-thousand units, it sure would be interesting to see if the several replacement types ere REALLY any better than the stock units...

Totally. I would be willing to be that the OEM pump wouldn't look so bad in this light.







I have yet to hear of an Aeromotive pump failing yet, though. Anyone heard of one failing? They are built like Swiss Watches!



Justin

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by banshee

Another solution to the PE bypass problem is to turn the entire bottom plate around. The fuel pressure (~22psi) + the spring tension will then hold the ball in place and it won't start sagging the pressure. It worked great on my last PE pump until the motor burned up... LOL.

LMFAO