My PE4200 just took a dump!

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Originally posted by Hohn

I have yet to hear of an Aeromotive pump failing yet, though. Anyone heard of one failing? They are built like Swiss Watches!



Justin

yes... I believe MikeR (here in the NW) had one for a very short period of time.

 

[Casey Ray]

Stefan,



It's been 2-3 weeks, what's the scoop on the new pump?



Casey

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

Mactruck,

Actually one of the sponsors of Bill's racecar is the company that owns this pump system. Bill has been involved in the R&D process as we have been working with them for over 9 months on the system and then I lost my dodge in the accident which made it tougher to finish the testing. These are race car guys that have $1500 type fuel systems on their cars that saw a solution for the Diesel industry guys as they watched me personally lose 4 lift pumps and 3 injection pumps. The trick has been to modify the system and have it be cost effective for the diesel guys. I know you guys have been hearing rumors about this product and that is because a few of the test mules have been TDR member trucks. This company I know has been very specific about what we were and were not allowed to do and say before their release date. They have allowed me to say they are about 2-3 weeks from their release date to the diesel industry. Their web info. and distributor info. should be available then.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

There will be 1 on display in Muncie at Great Lakes Diesel Works booth, then it will be released after Muncie. We/DTT do have some kits but most are pre-sold, as we couldn't release them until testing was completed after Muncie.



The mounting of the mechanical pump is system is a piece of cake, it only takes 15-20 minutes.



The wiring on takes about 20 minutes.



The plumbing is tough. It should be done by someone that has done lots of plumbing or a professional.



This pump system has been torcher tested from 4-50 PSI to try and blow it up, we've even mis-installed it to try and wreck it. It's been tested at well over 700hp. This pump will not be able to be over powered at any horsepower level.

 

[rweis]

And the K's go for another homerun.



Typical that it is tested to bullet proof "try to blow it up" standards.



Time will tell, but I bet time will really tell!



I still have a spare lp in a box under the seat, might take a while to get through the OEM and the spare, but THEN ... ... .



Just absolutely LOVING it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Bob Weis



ps: Might be safe to say there "could" be a few lp threads in the near future?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

You'd be amazed at how many "idiot-proof" items *I* have managed to screw up...

 

[jaybigboy34]

I think I will have to join the failed PE4200 pump club. My pump had been running fine, and then I noticed I couldn't hear it running anymore just yesterday when I turned the key on. I am going to let my local mechanic look at it today. After reading this post, I am afraid there is no hope for it.

 

[Ncostello]

Stefan Kondolay... I went to the tent and saw the pump on Bills truck. I like it and its outside the box in a way. I figured the drive system would never hold up but from what I hear... a new $7 belt every 50,000 miles will keep it in check.



The bracketry is truly ingenious and so is the drive hub. Only possible on a CNC milling machine for sure!



On 03's and 4's... keeping the filter mounted lift pump in service is a must for priming the filters and it don't hurt to keep it working anyway. If it fails I guess it just pumps through it.



But on older 24V's... I'd be interested in a hand primer or a lift pump mounted parallel and valved off for use only when priming.



Nice.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Neil, thanks for the preview

 

[rweis]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo



What has DTT come up with and what does it look like?



Leave it to DTT to think outside of the box!



The rest of us are trying to repair a bad mouse trap (lp) and DTT picked up the sledge hammer no doubt. Might just be the end of the lp "problem"



Bob Weis

 

[Ncostello]

If you can picture a belt driven power steering pump on a normal car you get the picture. It looks like a factory accessory on the engine. Its worthy of bolting to the motor. It uses factory bolt mounting positions. No drilling or rigging required. Paint it black and even a trained eye might miss it. Its mounted low and out of sight like the AC compressor. Belt drive off the front of the crank. It your engine rotates... fuel will be pumped. Its not a lift pump or transfer pump. This is a gear type fluid pump... positive displacement.



Its the alternative to the cam driven pump of 12V's (which Cummins should still be using by the way). If you're worried about belt driven fuel pumps... consider your AC, water pump, and alternator are belt driven. Do you worry about those as much as you worry about your lift pump??



I'm not saying they are better than something like the Preporator. I know little about this type of setup or use. This a different approach... the mechanical approach. Its only purpose is to pump fuel... not filter or seperate water or air. Yet something that pumps fuel and lasts for a long time is light years ahead of the the Carter OEM unit.

 

[Hohn]

Does it look like this???

 

[paulb]

Originally posted by Ncostello

But on older 24V's... I'd be interested in a hand primer or a lift pump mounted parallel and valved off for use only when priming.



Nice.

The stock lift pump is in parallel to the mechancial pump, and is automatically activated for priming, etc...

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

No, that is similar to what we run on our races but they will not work with diesel fuel.



The areomotive/barry grant style pumps run a gyro style gears, where this system uses stainless steel straight cut gears.



It was on the truck that won the 2004 Muncie dyno shootout.

 

[JR2]

When will you be telling us how much and all the other good details. . I need a lift pump very soon and I don't want to buy another stock one.



JR2

 

[Southern Ram]

Lift pump

I have had my DTT lift pump for well over a month now and I can say that this system lets me almost forget about having to watch fuel PSI guage. My mach 5 injectors will not pull fuel psi down at full throttle.



Todd

 

[Ncostello]

Interesting. Its kinda funny too how this pump gets mounted all the way up to the front bumper (almost) while the rest of us are struggling to shove Carters back into the tank. That alone pretty much describes its power.

 

[rweis]

Southern Ram,



Can you describe the BK system? What's where?, mounted how?, on what?



Just a rough estimate of cost? Obviously it is in the early stages of deployment and you may not want to comment on this part.



Bob Weis

 

[24V-DSL]

DTT is now talking. Muncie was the premier.

 

[Ncostello]

One solution for priming. Install a Stanadyne FM100 filter head in place of the OEM filter. You can have the heater too. Then use their modular add on purge pump... or lift pump which mounts to the top of the filter. Switch it on to prime... then switch it off till next time. Plus with a 6" long 5 micron filter (spin on type)... you'll get better filtration and water seperation using known good products.

 

[rweis]

I asked a question of SE Power about the FM100 lp.



I was going to mount a FM100 with lp then the DC OEM LP in series so if one failed then the other would provide fuel to the CDT. The answer I got from Stanadyne was if the FM100 lp failed the DC OEM lp would not be able to draw enough fuel THROUGH a failed FM100 lp (ie not running). If the OEM lp failed the FM100 MIGHT be able to push through it as long as the pump vanes retracted or the pump rotor could turn.



Might be a question to ask in the new DTT system. Could the xx fp draw enough fuel THROUGH a non running FM100 lp.



Apparently DTT has a way to use the OEM lp on startup then turn it off (pressure switch?) and bypass it or draw through it.



There is another thread running parallel at this same time on the same subject.



Bob Weis