My truck is heavy...

[Road Dog]

Klauber

No one here has stated the obvious; if the truck is a smokin deal, you can either change the ring and pinion to any gear ratio you want or buy a complete rear end from a salvage yard and then sell the 1 in the truck, you can also get a gear vendor overunder in a 1. 2 to 1 or whatever underdrive. I am not sure what a r&p installed is but my guess is under $1k and a complete, used for 1/2 that.

If you have a 4x4 you can do it twice. You can change the tire size to change the effective gearing. There's no perfect gear unless you have a single purpose truck. Mountain driving will be different than flatland driving too.

 

[NIsaacs]

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...ssion-discussions/63406d1176128722-stack-not-[nick-27s-20green-20truck.jpg]



Not smart enough to post the picture, but the link works!!



Nick

 

[kenny61]

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[FPettijohn]

NIsaacs

See that doesn,t count cause that's (omg) a Ford!

 

[NIsaacs]

Thank you for posting my photo of my Ford, Kenny. Jeeze, 4 years after Paychk helped me I still can't do it! For me Computers are rocket science.



For those that might be interested, that was a load of cattle guards picked up in Lakeside, Az. delivered to Prineville, Or. for the Forest Service, 29,000 lbs. gcw.



Nick

 

[HBarlow]

Kenny,

It is too cold outside to go out and finish spreading and smoothing gravel I have had delivered or delivered myself to rebuild winter damaged driveways so I'm bored and browsing websites.

I had a question about converting my own TX CDL A license to a TX Class A operator license since I won't be hauling commercially again and found an old website I had saved years ago that lists the requirements for driving or towing large and heavy recreational vehicles in the various states. RV Driver's License Requirements

While scanning down the list to find TX I ran across the facts for NY state.

I was surprised to realize that you were posting incorrect information about your own state of NY as well as SC and federal. NY does not require a CDL for vehicles under 26k as you claimed.

According to NY's own driver license website NY rules are identical to US DOT for CDL. Here is the link to NY Class D OPERATOR's LICENSE: NYS DMV - Driver's Manual - Chapter 1

I see now why you argued so stubbornly about things I knew to be incorrect. Just because a vehicle is defined as a commercial vehicle does NOT mean the driver must have a CDL.

You are confused about the distinction between a commercial vehicle which can be a vehicle over 10,000 lbs. used for business but the need for a commercial (CDL) driver license only begins when the single or combined weight exceeds 26,000 lbs.

 

[HBarlow]

Gary,

I was browsing your ratio comparison chart above and comparing your truck, now with G-56 and 3. 54 gears, with the ratios of my old '01 Ram with NV six speed and 3. 54 gears. Judging from my memories of my old truck's shortcomings when pulling a heavy fifth wheel, your truck makes me think your new transmission should be a much better performer than mine was when towing a heavy fiver.

The early AD G-56 was probably the ideal choice for your truck.

Since you've already provided the ratios of both versions of the G-56 and the NV-5600 why not also provide the NV-4500 ratios for a complete illustration of the Ram-Cummins manual transmission gear choices?

I guess there was an earlier manual five speed in the first generation trucks I didn't mention. I don't even know what company made it.

 

[GAmes]

Since you've already provided the ratios of both versions of the G-56 and the NV-5600 why not also provide the NV-4500 ratios for a complete illustration of the Ram-Cummins manual transmission gear choices?

Done. I entered another column.

 

[HBarlow]

Gary,

Wow, the comparison chart clearly shows what a huge improvement your investment in a G-56 conversion will make on your Dodge. You'll soon forget what it cost you in dollars and labor and enjoy every mile you drive it, particularly when you're pulling a heavy trailer out west. Your old Dodge will be like a new truck (with only 750,000 miles on the odometer) now.

 

[NIsaacs]

I added the transmission ratios for the Getrag360/1st. Gen... . Clark 280VO..... and Spicer 5831C Aux to my earlier post #154.



Nick

 

[HBarlow]

One of you guys who went to the trouble to post all those ratios should start a new thread just for the transmission ratio comparison table so that other members can find it in the future.

The table you guys have created is a very handy quick reference for TDR members discussing related issues or deciding about upgrading their older manual transmissioin trucks as GAmes ha just done.

 

[MAshley]

So What exactly do you do with the trailer anyways? ???

And do you feel the water sloshing around when half full?



And yes I agree your hitch parts are all wrong, and the stock hitch... part that takes a long time to remove from truck ... will fail with this load... Basically in a hard stop the weight transfer will rip it off of the truck... I ran 10,000 miles on the stock hitch at 25,000 GVW 14,000 worth of trailer and it was starting to bend. . so I installed a super Hitch Torklift's Original SuperHitch AKA 2 2" reciever tubes with a double shank hitch. In this seutp Sueper Hitch Rates it for 15,000 lbs... and 17K lbs if I install a Tow Beast head, and use bars... . And this is all on a 06 dully.



Also in your current setup 600 Gallons of water if the tank is centered bewtween the trailer and truck axles will share the load or about 2400 lbs each, but if its closer to the truck its % will go up... ... . I think you would be crazy in having this much transfer of weight to the truck on a bummper pull... . especially with the current empty tank weight. . I would bet your ball is only rated at 1500 lbs and 10K trailer ... let alone the rest of the hitch...



Honeslty you need a GN trailer with tandom duals. And if setup correctly you might be able to use your current truck.



Lots of braking power, Lots of weight hauling ability.



If you moved the water tank, and upgraded the hitch you migth be ok but even the trailer axles are a little light... And you said its a rental so upgrade to a better trailer first.



Next if possiable I would get 2 shorter tanks Height wise, and or saddle tanks that you could suspend from the deck of the trailer WITH Baffels to eliminate water surging back and forth as you drive, this would also lower you Center of gravity. Saddle tanks would also free up a lot of deck space. But in any case if I used that tank you have now it would be centered to the trailer axles... Get everything else that is a fixed load to load up the truck so as you added water your basically adding a little to the truck but most of the weight to the trailer. Again in this situation your truck has plenty of tonage to go and stop saftly. Remember a GN trailer can put 25% of weight on the truck. and to both axles... If your axle weights are ok you could use your current truck, a dully would just let you haul more pin weight... Also remember a Bumper pul style will put 0 on the front axle. and even in my setup Im only allowed 1500 lbs on the ball, so my dully is pulling not hauling. Caugh I need a GN trailer too

 

[HBarlow]

MAshley,

I agree with your opinions but if the load is too heavy for a conventional trailer, which it is, it is because the current trailer puts far too much weight on the ball. The same amount of weight, particularly if on a gooseneck trailer, would also place far too much weight on the truck.

IMO, the original poster needs a gooseneck AND a dually pickup to transport that load. Only a certified scale when the truck and trailer are loaded can tell for sure, of course.

 

[HBarlow]

Kenny,

It is too cold outside to go out and finish spreading and smoothing gravel I have had delivered or delivered myself to rebuild winter damaged driveways so I'm bored and browsing websites.

I had a question about converting my own TX CDL A license to a TX Class A operator license since I won't be hauling commercially again and found an old website I had saved years ago that lists the requirements for driving or towing large and heavy recreational vehicles in the various states. RV Driver's License Requirements

While scanning down the list to find TX I ran across the facts for NY state.

I was surprised to realize that you were posting incorrect information about your own state of NY as well as SC and federal. NY does not require a CDL for vehicles under 26k as you claimed.

According to NY's own driver license website NY rules are identical to US DOT for CDL. Here is the link to NY Class D OPERATOR's LICENSE: NYS DMV - Driver's Manual - Chapter 1

I see now why you argued so stubbornly about things I knew to be incorrect. Just because a vehicle is defined as a commercial vehicle does NOT mean the driver must have a CDL.

You are confused about the distinction between a commercial vehicle which can be a vehicle over 10,000 lbs. used for business but the need for a commercial (CDL) driver license only begins when the single or combined weight exceeds 26,000 lbs.

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Hey Kenny!

Are you hiding?

I know you received automatic notification of the post above.

 

[MAshley]

MAshley,



I agree with your opinions but if the load is too heavy for a conventional trailer, which it is, it is because the current trailer puts far too much weight on the ball. The same amount of weight, particularly if on a gooseneck trailer, would also place far too much weight on the truck.



IMO, the original poster needs a gooseneck AND a dually pickup to transport that load. Only a certified scale when the truck and trailer are loaded can tell for sure, of course.

Harvey



From the first post ….

GVW 19580

Front 4300

Rear 5420

Trailer 9860



The load for the trailer, IF correctly setup could possibly be ok for the truck and trailer but he isn’t sure if he has 6K or 7 K axles and it’s a rental trailer. . I bet his truck solo weighs in a little under 8000 lbs and is picking up about 1500 lbs in the above # for trailer weight on the truck. So he has about 11K lbs of stuff including the trailer. + water demands…. I don’t know the size “length” of trailer he is using but a nice 14K trailer could haul it with a nicer hitch setup, but when you add the water its too much…. . That’s why I recommend the GN he 1 needs a trailer anyways and 2 it’s the correct trailer to use for his application. So that fixes the trailer issues … now let’s look at the truck.



What is the GVW on a ¾ truck ????

Differences in the ¾ and dully are ??? Sticker ratings, 2 tires, 2 overload springs My understanding is the axles, frame, brakes, driveline are the same … And I feel like a dumb *** I just noticed it’s a short bed too . . hmmm That just means his truck weighs less LOL

Anyways with the new trailer I would figure 11- 13K lbs of trailer to haul for a ¾ in a GN style should be ok… adding the H20 full I think would put him over CGVW and maybe over GVW but at least it will add weight to both axles on the truck, and if setup well most of the weight would be on the trailer axles anyways. Which if he picks the right trailer won’t be a issue So it would be more of a hit on CGVW instead of the GVW on the truck. If he is on a budget I would try the trailer first, and maybe look at making some of the stuff needed for the job smaller lighter ETC. Unless the GVW on a ¾ is a lot less than a dully Shoot you have me thinking now Harvey…. I need more info. . For some reason I'm thinking the GVW is like 500 lbs. .



But again changing trucks, is the most expensive option and with the current trailer- setup won’t fix much My vote is trailer first then a truck …. . OOOOORRRRRRRR Get a small dedicated older flat bed work truck and keep this as a personal truck and or water toting disposal truck.

 

[HBarlow]

If you read the original poster's initial comments you'll see the weights he provided are of no value. They were based on an empty trailer before he added all the heavy equipment and tanks to the trailer and before he filled the large storage tank.

 

[KLauber]

Working on the dually!

MAshley,



I agree with your opinions but if the load is too heavy for a conventional trailer, which it is, it is because the current trailer puts far too much weight on the ball. The same amount of weight, particularly if on a gooseneck trailer, would also place far too much weight on the truck.



IMO, the original poster needs a gooseneck AND a dually pickup to transport that load. Only a certified scale when the truck and trailer are loaded can tell for sure, of course.

Trust me, I am working on the first part! Thanks for your help and all the excellent posts that resulted!



Cheers,

Ken

 

[KLauber]

No its the real empty weight

If you read the original poster's initial comments you'll see the weights he provided are of no value. They were based on an empty trailer before he added all the heavy equipment and tanks to the trailer and before he filled the large storage tank.

Sorry if I wasn't clear about this. The weights are for the truck, the trailer, all the equipment and no water in the tanks.



Ken

 

[KLauber]

Me neither!

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Hey Kenny!



Are you hiding?



I know you received automatic notification of the post above.

Hey Harvey!



I too turned off the email notification, it was too much of a time waster...

 

[Mark31]

"Honeslty you need a GN trailer with tandom duals. And if setup correctly you might be able to use your current truck. " ------MAshley

Rick at McElrath Trailers said 4 17. 5" tires would handle this load. Mark