My truck is heavy...

[HBarlow]

Sorry if I wasn't clear about this. The weights are for the truck, the trailer, all the equipment and no water in the tanks.

Ken

Okay, thanks for correcting that. The figures are more reasonable now but it's the poly tank forward of the trailer axles that is the deal breaker.

You bought and installed a large (600 gal?) tank so I assume that is the quantity of water you needed for whatever job it is you are doing. The tank alone, mounted in the bed of your Ram 2500 pickup, will use all of the available cargo carrying capacity of your truck if it is filled with water.

 

[HBarlow]

Hey Harvey!

I too turned off the email notification, it was too much of a time waster...

Kenny, the one who was calling me a fool and other uncomplimentary names a few days ago because of this discussion, did NOT have his post notification feature turned off then because he posted a post that I wrote and then deleted.

 

[kenny61]

Harvey I am utterly flabbergasted that your are acting the way you are not only calling me out but taunting me as well... .

I Posted to Ken earlier that I was busy and would go over his obvious truck violations when I had time. I work a few jobs, Have a family. Help Take Care of my senior citizen Parents and in laws work on my vehicles and house. I will respond back when I get a chance. I will tell you this so you can gloat however. I did get a chance to read my book and you are correct on the 24k 10k numbers. When I get my chance to post a proper reply you will see why a CDL requirement may still apply. You also have brought this whole truck is heavy thread into an argument strictly about a CDL While I have been giving general statements to help prevent fellow members from getting fines and there trips ruined. You apparently are more concerned with keeping your ego properly inflated.

PS I called you a fool when you made the post about where you stated you would not acknowledge any letter from a NYS agency...

Funny how when you find something from the NY agency you like it is OK...

FYI the same agency you use to validate your findings is the one that got things all jumbled up for me...

As stated response, explanations and legal pleadings to follow,When I have time

 

[Mark31]

Kenny and Harvey, you guys need to chill out. You are probably not so far apart on some of your interpretations, but you are really rubbing each other. Maybe its time to close the thread? How 'bout if we made a list of different of interpretations and submit them to the proper agencies and ask for officials to join us as a guest (possible?) and help? At any rate, this has gone too far. My nichol's worth. (inflation, get used to it!)(LOL) Mark

 

[steved]

The tank alone, mounted in the bed of your Ram 2500 pickup, will use all of the available cargo carrying capacity of your truck if it is filled with water.

Should that not say "exceed"? That is more of a correct statement??



As someone else did the math, 600 gallons of water at roughly 8 pounds per gallon is 4800 pounds (if my math still works). Assuming this statement is correct: "The gross weight was 19580 with fat ol driver and a full load of fuel. The front axle was 4300, the rear was 5420 and trailer was 9860 lbs. Of course havent' picked up any cargo which would be water, up to 600 gallons. ", then would the recommended GCVW of 20k not be exceeded as soon as the water is added? But at the same time, assuming we throw the recommended GCVW out the window and assume the trailer is rated at 14k (and balanced perfectly); the current trailer weight of 9860 and 4800 pounds of water would only exceed the trailer's rating by 660 pounds (which isn't really all that much considering how many times you see worse). And again, assuming 10% of recommended tongue weight is 1466, then he could potentially buy a hitch rated heavy enough to handle the tongue weight.



I was on the same page as you (HBarlow) with regards to weight... that tank sitting on the front of the trailer was going to exceed the tongue/hitch weight by itself, let alone the rest of the equipment that tends to be forward of the trailer axles.



And obviously, there is no way to rearrange that trailer to get a perfect balance.

 

[kenny61]

Steved_

Just because you are an impartial person.....


If Klauber filled his water tank with 100% water at 8lbs (I realize the weight varies between lets say 8 and 8. 5 based on temp which changes the density and how much petroleum product is in the water) how much would the entire load weigh?

 

[steved]

Steved_



Just because you are an impartial person.....





If Klauber filled his water tank with 100% water at 8lbs (I realize the weight varies between lets say 8 and 8. 5 based on temp which changes the density and how much petroleum product is in the water) how much would the entire load weigh?

From the original post of "The gross weight was 19580 with fat ol driver and a full load of fuel. The front axle was 4300, the rear was 5420 and trailer was 9860 lbs. " The weight of the water tank, again 600 gallons at roughly 8 pounds per gallon is roughly 4800 pounds.



To me this adds up to a GCVW of roughly 24,380 pounds or a trailer weight of 14,660 pounds. Unless I'm missing something.

 

[kenny61]

Thank you sir! Your numbers are within range

 

[kenny61]

Klauber ...


What are the gvr or should I say max weights "stickered " on both the trailer and truck??

 

[steved]

Within range of what?

With a load of water, the trailer is overloaded and the truck is likely overloaded on the rear axle/tires, let alone the hitch rating. At 5,420 pounds on the rear axle, you have less than 1400 pounds to meet the maximum load capacity of the tires (assuming they are 3300 pounds each)... and that's a perfectly balanced load on the trailer, which is not the case here (VERY tongue heavy).

This is one of those cases where there are some many small problems, you really can't overlook it... I wouldn't. And I can't add any more to this, so I'm done.

 

[steved]

Klauber ...


What are the gvr or should I say max weights "stickered " on both the trailer and truck??

The truck is most likely a GVW of 9,000 pounds if similar to mine (assuming he has a 2500 and not a SRW 3500)... with a recommended GCVR of 20k. Empty of water, that would put him at 9,720 pounds right now.

 

[kenny61]

Within range of what?



With a load of water, the trailer is overloaded and the truck is likely overloaded on the rear axle/tires, let alone the hitch rating. At 5,420 pounds on the rear axle, you have less than 1400 pounds to meet the maximum load capacity of the tires (assuming they are 3300 pounds each)... and that's a perfectly balanced load on the trailer, which is not the case here (VERY tongue heavy).



This is one of those cases where there are some many small problems, you really can't overlook it... I wouldn't. And I can't add any more to this, so I'm done.

Your numbers are within range of the calculation that I asked you to make based on th3 8. 0 to 8. 5 lbs per gal range I suggested

 

[kenny61]

The truck is most likely a GVW of 9,000 pounds if similar to mine (assuming he has a 2500 and not a SRW 3500)... with a recommended GCVR of 20k. Empty of water, that would put him at 9,720 pounds right now.

I think his truck is 8800 gvr but want an exact number from klauber based on the debate I am having



Thank You

 

[steved]

I think his truck is 8800 gvr but want an exact number from klauber based on the debate I am having



Thank You

The picture he provided is of a 3rd gen... they are 9k GVW...



The 8800 was a 2nd gen "camper special" thing.

 

[kenny61]

OK and the GVR of his Trailer

 

[steved]

He stated early on 7000 pound axles... assuming the tires are up to the task?

 

[Mark31]

One of Ken's pictures showed a 6 ton label on the left front of the bed. Mark

 

[NIsaacs]

Not that I set much store on Dodge's tow tables or any of them for that matter. They seem to change with the wind and competition more than any improvement in drivetrain design. But just to throw some more thought on this weight issue... ..... Dodge says no more than 10,000 lbs trailer on the bumper, any more and it says to use goose neck or fifth wheel... .



Nick

 

[GAmes]

Not that I set much store on Dodge's tow tables or any of them for that matter. They seem to change with the wind and competition more than any improvement in drivetrain design. But just to throw some more thought on this weight issue... ..... Dodge says no more than 10,000 lbs trailer on the bumper, any more and it says to use goose neck or fifth wheel... .



Nick

The 10,000 pound limit was the rating of the receiver. The newer trucks have receivers that are rated for more, 12,000 IIRC. After I destroyed mine pulling an overweight cargo trailer (long story) I replaced it with one rated for 15,000 with W/D.

 

[kenny61]

One of Ken's pictures showed a 6 ton label on the left front of the bed. Mark

We can use that as an unofficial weight till KLauber chimes in...

But for now we have a 12k lb trailer gvw with a potential 14,660lb load

9860 lbs with out water and...

12485lbs using KLaubers 1/2 tank and 7. 5 lb per gallon mix / estimate