Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) My turn. P-1693 & 0216. I need advice please.

[Sticks]

Well darn.



I have been having problems with my EZ, I got it pay it forward a few months ago, and for the last month or so, I have been having trouble with codes 1693 and 0234. I have been keeping an eye on it to see if the codes stay gone. I have cleaned the connections, and cleared the codes. Tonight I got the dreaded 0216.



My truck (see sig below) only has 40K miles on it, and I am only responsible for 10k of those. All the mods (and BOMBS) are listed below. I check my fuel pressure at the VP every other fuel up, and the idle psi is 13ish. Fuel filter was changed at 30k, and 36k, with fleetguard filters. Mopar oil filter and rotella (like that matters).



Other than I don't think the EZ is quite functioning like it should, I have had none of the common symptoms. Runs smooth, no hesitation, and so on. No check engine lights have come on.



Would the EZ be responsible for the VP failure? If so, I guess I bite the bullet and buy a new one out of my own pocket. But if it is unlikely (90%) that the EZ caused this, I need to know what all I need to do beyond taking the EZ off before the trip to the stea... dealer. Should I pluck the AFE also?



Anyone recommend a DC shop in the Denver area that turns a blind eye to certain things? Would warranty cover this if I take it to Cummins to have this take care of?



Any truth to the rumor that you can clear the ECM of fueling and other little driving records by disconnecting the batteries and turning the key to the start position and holding it there for about 30 seconds to a minute?



Sorry for the long winded post, and numerous questions. I did not anticipate on being my own warranty station so soon in the game, with so few mods.

 

[R.E. Miller]

First off, what is your fuel pressure at high idle no load, then high idle with a load. I am not familiar with the chrysler codes, only cummins, but if 0216 is like 0368 and it is about the injection pump not being able to achieve the timing that the ECM is asking for, most of the time it is due to low fuel pressure at higher rpms and loads.



Secondly, Cummins has nothing to do with dodge related warrenty issues. If you are concerned with a warrenty related failure, take your truck right to dodge.



Finally, there are most likely an abundant amount of people out there in colorado that can help, so pipe up guys



Good luck, and remember to check those fuel pressures, run with out the EZ, and see if your log any codes, and compare running with and without the box. The EZ allows for more fueling, but if your lift pump cannot keep up, then the injection pump cannot operate properly, but that does not mean that it has failed.



Russell

 

[Sticks]

R. E. Miller - Thanks for the response. I have no gauges yet, and I can only check my ful pressure at idle and high idle w/o a load. Pressure is 13ish at idle, and 8ish almost WOT w/o a load.



I cleared the codes Sat afternoon, and so far no new codes set (only 15 miles of driving). I am going to call Edge Monday to see what they have to say.

 

[jman]

Hey sticks,



Probably not the news you want to hear but your VP-44 is probably about done. I had the 0216 and the 1693 also and I had to have my pump replaced. BarryG also had the same problems. The code means there is an injection pump timing failure. Does it act funny when running at high rpm or coasing downhill? Mine would make terrible blue smoke in the mornings and start hard too. I believe BarryG's would smoke badly going downhill and he said it even backfired once.



Sorry for the bad news, just sharing my experience.



jman



I will send you a PM.

 

[Pkelly]

going to "code"

i'm having the same problem with my 02. the dealership is blaming the banks powerpack but in all reality i think its the pump. the 0216 code is timing failure with the pump. i am also looking for a new pump. i was refered to piersdiesel.com evidently they have really good prices. also informed to make sure new pump is updated to the 028 spec.

 

[Sticks]

Nothing bad since Saturday. I cleaned, greased and reconnected the connections, cleaned the IAT, and cleared the codes. I have driven it every day and put her through the paces a few times (including racing a Mustang Tuesday - so to speak) and still no codes. Looks like it was a hiccup. I even did the 7 mile commute to work in 5th rather than 6th, keeping the revs around 2400 to see if there was a miss or anything in the operation of the engine. NADA, smooth as silk. Rolling onto the throttle, mashing it and holding it, startup, nothing out of the ordinary. No extra colored smoke or coughing. So far it looks like a false alarm.



Three more days of driving, and if still no new codes, I guess it will be all is well.

 

[Pkelly]

hey sticks... wondering what connections you cleaned and greased. i was thinking maybe that would solve my problems also.

 

[DPugh]

Sticks,

BarryG and I both had the same codes you do. Both out trucks had hesitation that grew worse as time went on. I ended up taking mine to Enterprise last week for a new VP and the new FASS fuel system. Truck feels much stronger than before, must have been low on power for a while until the dead throttle happened. I say if you get a hesitation, youll know for sure. Sure have been a run of dying VP's here lately. Mine had almost 52,000 miles before problems started. Hope everything turns out.

Derek

 

[RobbyRam]

I'm going to replace my VP44. Because I have had the same codes, and even erased them with my scanner, and they have not reappeared. My truck still starts right up when cold, but takes forever when warm!

I don't want to get stranded somewhere and have to pay an outragest tow bill (Last tow bill =$420)

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Pkelly

hey sticks... wondering what connections you cleaned and greased. i was thinking maybe that would solve my problems also.

MAP, and Data port. It is the two connections that the Edge EZ is wired into. Eletcrical contact cleaner, and dielectric grease. I don't know where all your Banks system plugs into, just chase the wires and clean any connections.

 

[emjay]

Originally posted by RobbyRam

My truck still starts right up when cold, but takes forever when warm!

That could be your lift pump. Do you wait for the "Wait to start" indicator to go off before you start it when it's hot?

 

[Sticks]

Exactly one week and the 0234 code came back, and still no check engine light. No turbo bark on this last stretch so that rules that out. Looks like I call Edge on Monday and get a replacement. Thank the CTD gods, no 0216 or any other injection pump codes have showed up, and still no typical symptoms of a VP on its last leg.



Does Edge still provide an adjustable boost elbow, or do I have to get that somewhere else?

 

[Sticks]

And one day later the 0216 code is back (just checked it this morning, as I forgot to do it yesterday)



Anybody ever hear of the EZ cooking the VP?!?! There seem to be an awful lot of TDR members reporting this possibility over the last couple of weeks.



I need to know. Like I said, if it is 95% likely that the EZ did not cause a failure, I have to be ready to fight the dealer on the warranty.



Sticks

 

[BarryG]

Sticks:

Sorry to hear about your codes. I didn't use to check for codes regularly so I don't know if mine showed up well before the symptoms started showing up. Once they did show up at first it would take a week or so for it to come back then it got quicker and quicker. Took the ez off the first time around and they still came back. I took it to the dealer after I stripped everything off that could be considered a performance mod and they didn't give me any hassle about warranty but star would not authorize the replacement because they couldn't duplicate it. Well I had given them very specific instructions on how to duplicate it but it would require leaving the shop which I guess they didn't do. We went back and forth about it stranding me and were they going to pay for the tow and all that in a friendly manner, answer was no. SW said I will see you on monday because he was sure the code would be back by then. It was back within an hour of leaving the shop. Heading down the backside of Eisenhower tunnel it did its thing breifly. Stopped in Grand Junction for fuel and checked for codes and sure enough there it was. No more hiccups until the way home coming down Vail pass and Eisenhower it was worse than ever. Was trying to see if keeping the rpms up would help and all I got was pulled over for going 85 down the hill by Georgetown. Trooper was cool though. I explained I didn't realize that I was going that fast and explained what was going on with the truck and that I was just trying to get home. He took my info back to the cruiser then came back with it said he had seen my smokescreens and mentioned the safety issue to vehicles behind me told me to slow down and to get home without giving me a ticket. Took it back to the dealer on Tuesday and he pulled the codes said he would order a pump and would call me when it came in. A week later was fixed and has been fine since.

 

[Sticks]

Well, only two days with the EZ removed, and the 0216 code is back again. Still no abnormal symptoms. Truck seems to be running fine, or it is running consistently weak, where I would not notice a difference.



Random thought... Could a faulty MAP sensor cause the 0216 code?? I would like to exhaust all options before I have to do the deed with the dealer.



Anybody?

 

[Sticks]

Well, here we go. I just got back from the dealer, and they cleared the code - unable to duplicate problem. Code set 9 starts ago. I will drive until it sets again, and then make the appiontment to have them start digging to see where the problem lies.



Returned to stock, and cleaned the entire engine compartment... darn puke bottle!