Napa Gold oil filters

[J.BURCHFIELD]

If China does not make everything she soon will. Amsoil filters are made to Amsoil specs. no mater who makes them. In my opinion chinese made products in general are of inferior quality but they have flooded our markets and due to the lower prices are taking sales away from US made products. Those of us who prefer quality still buy made in the USA when we can. I have used Amsoil filters since I bought my 98 12v and after 102k I have no complaint. REGARDS Jim

 

[betterthanstock]

If China does not make everything she soon will. Amsoil filters are made to Amsoil specs. no mater who makes them. In my opinion chinese made products in general are of inferior quality but they have flooded our markets and due to the lower prices are taking sales away from US made products. Those of us who prefer quality still buy made in the USA when we can. I have used Amsoil filters since I bought my 98 12v and after 102k I have no complaint. REGARDS Jim

Your 12v does not have piston cooling jets with nozzles that can clog and melt a piston if you use cheap paper filters. I think they warn you about that in the owner's manual. I doubt Amsoil will replace your melted piston, like Fleetguard will, IF their filter does the damage. Instead, they will send you to fight it in court using the Magnussen-Moss??? act, and Cummins will say you used an inferior product, therefore the act does not apply, so sue Amsoil. Good luck.

If Amsoil is serious, they should offer a warranty!

I can buy fleetguard stratapore at freightliner dealers for about $11. (Freightliner is owned by DC also, so they will warrant it!) How cheap do you want to go? Now that it's broken-in, I keep my oil 10,000 miles (Rotella 5w-40 synthetic), less than the maximum 15K allowed by Cummins, so filters don't cost a lot. (mine is 03, so oil stays clean longer)

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

I do not know if Amsoil offers a warrenty, I will check next time I buy. It should be on the canister but I don't believe anybody does that.

 

[DJW]

I've read over the years many discussions in Auto and M/Cycle mags. over oil filters, also tests. "TESTS???" they cut them apart, weigh, smell, (that sould tell you something!). discribe in highly technical terms, paper, cardboard,undetermable hair and fibers, and a host of other things (that should fool the masses, unwashed, draught dogers, bla, bla, bla) they do everything, it's called Job Security. They wind up and give you a choice, the same as you started with. The only test that has any meaning in the Real World is a Destruction Test, under actual Working conditions, for the type and service it was designed for. For peace of mind I prefer to abide by the manufacture's designed products. If you want to use a particular oil filter, do as I did some time ago. I had a BMW m/cycle and the oil filters were very expensive in relation to other brands, so to be on the safe side I wrote to Allied Signal (Fram) and told them that I use their their filters on all my machinery and equipment, and to simplify purchasing and stock do they make an oil filter that I could use with confidence for my motorcycle. I gave them all information of the motorcycle, all numbers etc. plus BMWs oil filter numbers, everything so they could match it. I recieved a letter back giving me the oil filter number etc that would be suitable for my motorcycle. Anyone wishing to do the same for their use, I suggest they write to their favourite filter manufacturer and get assurance that using their filters will meet all the requirements of the engine manufacturer you intend to use it on. To get answers to my questions I prefer to go to the head of the well, and leave, "He said, She said" to others. So let's start the letter writing, after all it only needs one stamp, and the US Postal Service needs the money.

 

[jwilliams3]

You want cold hard facts:



Ok Cummins owns Fleetguard and Cummins tests, developes, and supplies with their engines FLEETGUARD FILTERS!!!



Why waste paper writing to someone when I (and many other) already know the answer.



The only he said she said stuff is from people that don't know.



AND...

"OFF" brand filters have been known to (and I have seen with my own eyes) cause engine failures due to filtration media, interal filter parts coming loose and entering the lubricating system of the engine.

The B series from Cummins has a high start up oil pressure thats usually in the 100psi range. Some engines have had oil pressure spikes into the 125+psi area.



Its not all about "filtering". Its about integrity and a host of others things than just filtration that go into a quality filter.



CUMMINS DID DO THE RESEARCH AND RELEASED AN APPROVED FILTER LIST FOR THE CUMMINS/DODGE APPLICATION.



AMSOIL filter is not on there.

Neither is the K&N oil filter.



Oh yeah and they did the testing with the filters, not just cutting them open like joe schmoe magazine

 

[amsoilman]

You want cold hard facts:



Ok Cummins owns Fleetguard and Cummins tests, developes, and supplies with their engines FLEETGUARD FILTERS!!!



Why waste paper writing to someone when I (and many other) already know the answer.



The only he said she said stuff is from people that don't know.



AND...

"OFF" brand filters have been known to (and I have seen with my own eyes) cause engine failures due to filtration media, interal filter parts coming loose and entering the lubricating system of the engine.

The B series from Cummins has a high start up oil pressure thats usually in the 100psi range. Some engines have had oil pressure spikes into the 125+psi area.



Its not all about "filtering". Its about integrity and a host of others things than just filtration that go into a quality filter.



CUMMINS DID DO THE RESEARCH AND RELEASED AN APPROVED FILTER LIST FOR THE CUMMINS/DODGE APPLICATION.



AMSOIL filter is not on there.

Neither is the K&N oil filter.



Oh yeah and they did the testing with the filters, not just cutting them open like joe schmoe magazine

I would like to see this so-called Cummins/Dodge "approved list of oil filters!



I have called, e-mailed to both Dodge and Cummins, and neither claim to have a list of "APPROVED" oil filters!

Sure they would LIKE you to use thier oil filters... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... that's money in their pockets!



For your info, the Amsoil oil filter used on the Cummins/Dodge application is a "DONALDSON" ELF-7349, which has been used in the Heavy duty world for years!



Wayne

amsoillman

 

[nickleinonen]

The B series from Cummins has a high start up oil pressure thats usually in the 100psi range. Some engines have had oil pressure spikes into the 125+psi area.

15w40 at cold temps will do that... good reason to run synthetics...

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Good letter

 

[amsoilman]

Here is an interesting comparison pic I took a while back of a Napa Gold on the left and Fleetguard on the right-



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The two filters appear to be of differing sizes! The one on the left is smaller in diameter, and the gasket is even smaller than the one on the right. Are you sure these two filters fit the same ap[plication?



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Matt400]

The two filters appear to be of differing sizes! The one on the left is smaller in diameter, and the gasket is even smaller than the one on the right. Are you sure these two filters fit the same ap[plication?



Wayne

amsoilman

Hi Wayne,

They are the same, I use to sell the Napa filter on the left at work for CTD's until I started learning more 4 years ago.



It may be the way I was holding the camera but what prompted me to take the pic comparison was when I looked at them side by side, my first thought was. . I gotta take a pic of this.



If your ever in a Napa store, check one out and remember to look or the 6 small inlet holes vs the large 8 on the fleetguard.

 

[jwilliams3]

Yeah those are the same app funny how other companies interpret things... .



My 96 I just bought came with new napa oil filter under the seat I'll take a picture tomorrow if you dont believe that photo :-laf

 

[WUnderwood]

because of this thread, I bought a case of Mopar oil filters, just to be on the safe side

 

[steved]

because of this thread, I bought a case of Mopar oil filters, just to be on the safe side

I started using them too... since they are fleetguard anyway and easier to get.



My only add to this is that, yes, DC has an approved list of filters... it is an older TSB that has been listed already a bunch of times... Fram and Napa Gold (aka. Wix) were big No-No's... IIRC, Fleetguard, Purolator, Motorguard, and a few other (about 6 at the time) were approved. I also think I have seen a reference to a Cummins list of filters they recommend, but that was linked on another board a long time ago. The dodge TSB has been out since somewhere around 1999 (intro of the 24-valve).



And the TSB was regarding the NEOPRENE used in the filter being broken down by the added HEAT of the 24-valve... the NEOPRENE then plugged the ports... not the filter media itself. You will find that the actual filter media is pretty much the same between filters (either cellulose [cardboard] or a fiberglass-type media). It is the rest of the filter's construction and warranty that makes them stand apart.



And not promoting junk (aka. Fram), but they have a superceded number for the CTD... it is the old number followed by an "A". So they got their act together, but I still wouldn't use a Fram on my neighbors car... just throwing this out there incase you should need one in a pinch. I think Fram got the bad rap in the beginning because they are a popular filter and there were several failures reported caused by them... the same thing would have happened to Wix or Amsoil if they would have been the cause of a bunch of failures...



And since the question has been asked, Wayne: what is Amsoil's warranty if their filter fails???





steved

 

[amsoilman]

I started using them too... since they are fleetguard anyway and easier to get.



My only add to this is that, yes, DC has an approved list of filters... it is an older TSB that has been listed already a bunch of times... Fram and Napa Gold (aka. Wix) were big No-No's... IIRC, Fleetguard, Purolator, Motorguard, and a few other (about 6 at the time) were approved. I also think I have seen a reference to a Cummins list of filters they recommend, but that was linked on another board a long time ago. The dodge TSB has been out since somewhere around 1999 (intro of the 24-valve).



And the TSB was regarding the NEOPRENE used in the filter being broken down by the added HEAT of the 24-valve... the NEOPRENE then plugged the ports... not the filter media itself. You will find that the actual filter media is pretty much the same between filters (either cellulose [cardboard] or a fiberglass-type media). It is the rest of the filter's construction and warranty that makes them stand apart.



And not promoting junk (aka. Fram), but they have a superceded number for the CTD... it is the old number followed by an "A". So they got their act together, but I still wouldn't use a Fram on my neighbors car... just throwing this out there incase you should need one in a pinch. I think Fram got the bad rap in the beginning because they are a popular filter and there were several failures reported caused by them... the same thing would have happened to Wix or Amsoil if they would have been the cause of a bunch of failures...



And since the question has been asked, Wayne: what is Amsoil's warranty if their filter fails???





steved

I will tell you, Amsoil would stand behind the products which they produce if there was a proven failure related to those products. As far as the "Donaldson" brand Oil filters they now distribute, Donaldson would be the ones that would handle those cases of warranty. However, because Amsoil is the distributer, Amsoil would get the ball rolling in those cases.



If you are aware of Donaldson, they have been in the Heavy Duty/Industrial arena for many years, and just entered the "Light truck & Automotive" industry through the Amsoil Company.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[steved]

I will tell you, Amsoil would stand behind the products which they produce if there was a proven failure related to those products. As far as the "Donaldson" brand Oil filters they now distribute, Donaldson would be the ones that would handle those cases of warranty. However, because Amsoil is the distributer, Amsoil would get the ball rolling in those cases.



If you are aware of Donaldson, they have been in the Heavy Duty/Industrial arena for many years, and just entered the "Light truck & Automotive" industry through the Amsoil Company.



Wayne

amsoilman

Unless it's in writing, any company can make promises. Not saying they wouldn't just that most people are set at ease if they have a piece of paper stating they are covered... this country isn't safe with just a handshake anymore.



I for one haven't seen any sort of guarantee with any amsoil filter... but of course I never looked either...





steved

 

[jwilliams3]

Why worry when you can run a fleetguard/mopar for $7 a pop??

 

[steved]

Why worry when you can run a fleetguard/mopar for $7 a pop??

I do run a Mopar filter...



The only thing I worry about is running the Amsoil bypass filter... but since it is such limited flow anyway, it would probably plug it's own orifice before it caused any damage... and it dumps to the oil pan anyway.



And it is just the whole "would stand behind it. " Unless it's in writing anymore, you pretty much have nothing.



steved

 

[amsoilman]

I do run a Mopar filter...



The only thing I worry about is running the Amsoil bypass filter... but since it is such limited flow anyway, it would probably plug it's own orifice before it caused any damage... and it dumps to the oil pan anyway.



And it is just the whole "would stand behind it. " Unless it's in writing anymore, you pretty much have nothing.



steved

If your worried about running the Amsoil By-pass filter, take it off!



The By-pass filter (any by-pass filter for that matter) if connected properly is just that!... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... a BY-PASS! If it ever plugged, it does not effect the flow through the "full-flow" filter at all. Oil like water, takes the path of lowest resistance!



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[steved]

If your worried about running the Amsoil By-pass filter, take it off!



The By-pass filter (any by-pass filter for that matter) if connected properly is just that!... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... a BY-PASS! If it ever plugged, it does not effect the flow through the "full-flow" filter at all. Oil like water, takes the path of lowest resistance!



Wayne

amsoilman

But following the logic of this thread, while they might plug off and simply not do anything (not disputing your claim), that doesn't mean they they won't disentigrate and plug the ports in the engine... !



steved

 

[dezeldog]

You can buy the re-badged dodge filters(fleetguards) off of ebay for about 60 bux a case + shipping.

Do you know if this filter is standard media or stratpore. I am still using the 3894 on my 3rd gen with no issues in 100k mi. That is ahellaofa good price if its a stratpore media. Also that dealership is only 'bout 25 mi from the house maybe I could save shipping on the case and that would be even a better deal. TIA



Jim