NAPA oil filters

[mark64]

Anybody use NAPA oil filters?

I just picked 2 up at my local store and with my company discount they are only $4. 25 ea. Seems like a good price if they are quality filters. I was looking for Fleetguards but nobody seems to carry them. I didn't want to go to the dealer to pay their marked up price.

Who makes the NAPA filters?



Thanks



Mark

 

[JR2]

Read this tsb on what oil filters are accepted by DC for use on the cummins.



You can get fleetguard filters at any Cummins shop and many other big rig shops that use cummins motors in there trucks. You can also get them from Genos Garage for a good price.



To find your local cummins distributor try this link.



For me I run Fleetguard only, they are owned by Cummins and that is the filter that DC sells at the dealer ship.



JR2





**edti** Thought that I might add that most Cummins shops will ship filters to you also.

 

[illflem]

Napa Gold filters are Wix and are good. I've probably put over 100k on my 12 valves with them, but would be very wary about using them on a 24 due to very high start up oil pressure. I'll bet there are way more filter problem free CTDs on the road with Wix filters than Fleetguard, but not on this forum. My opinion is you should use Fleetguards from Geno's, they don't cost much more and service is great.

 

[mark64]

Thanks for the info.

I stopped by 2 cummins dealers this morning and both were closed on Sat. So far I have used only DC filters from my Dodge dealer since he threw in a couple of free oil changes when I bought my truck.

Just wondering if I would be better off returning my NAPA filters and picking up some Fleetguards Monday just to be on the safe side.

I need to get some ordered to have on hand when I need to change oil.



Mark

 

[JohnE]

I get Fleetguard Stratapore filters for $7 from a local Cummins shop. I don't have to use Stratapore with my 12 valve, but the price is less than Microglass. Stratapore is required on the 24 valve due to the oil pressure spike at startup. I believe the ISBs are similar to the ISCs and ISLs. We see start spikes of 120 psi.



Two (2) other possible sources for Fleetguard that people often overlook is from John Deere or New Holland/Case/International dealers.



<em>edit

Pushed submit before I was finished. Wix & Baldwin filters are very common at the local auto & fleet stores. I use Wix in the mommie van. Napa gold is reprted to be from Wix where the standard Napa filter is from Champion. </em>

 

[bmoeller]

I don't know if all John Deere machinery dealers carry Fleetgaurd filters, but my local dealer does. Never checked to if they had any to fit 5. 9's but they might. I've been using Baldwin BT339 filters on my '97 with good luck so far. We also use Baldwins on the semi trucks and some other pieces of equipment.

 

[mark64]

I think I am going to wait and pickup some Fleetguards. I thought I was getting a deal on the NAPA filters,but if there is a chance they are not right for my 24 valve I don't want to use em.

I never thought about checking my local JD dealer. I have a friend who works for Case IH who can mabe get me a price break on filters also since they all run Cummins motors.

Thanks again for all of the help.



Mark

 

[Bob4x4]

Both the wix and napa filters are manufactured by the guard corporation. Neither are on the D/C recommended list. They are the same part # for many years they have not had changes to accommodate the more strenuous requirements of the 24 valve oiling system

 

[illflem]

As far as warranty repair due to a damaged filter my feeling is that you will probably have less hassle getting coverage from most filter manufactors than you will from DC. Whitenight's recent tale is a case in point, everything was done just right with an approved filter, look where that got him. The tsb requiring approved filters doesn't mean jack.

 

[Bob4x4]

We have replaced many engines due to oil filter failures. They have been Fram and purolator no wix or napa yet. Why gamble?I have never seen a legitimate engine failure declined by D/C. They have been repairing these vehicles and going after the filter mfg. to keep the customer happy. Are you speaking from personal knowledge or repeating what you have heard?

 

[illflem]

Bob read this thread http://216.235.147.117/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58335&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

 

[Bob4x4]

Wow... if everything went as documented here. Sorry to hear that.

Bob

 

[merryman]

I would bet that in the Whiteknight case, DC is NOT treating this as it appears on the surface; what ever the actual facts are, its my bet that DC does not buy the claim that a filter went 4K miles then blew the gasket. (I am certainly not taking a position on the matter, just making an observation regarding what I would expect from one in DCs position)

That may very well be what happened, but it is so far out of line with the probable as to raise a big red flag. Has anyone here actual knowledge of a gasket failure other than very shortly after the installation? Even if so they have to be too rare to be statistically relevant.



This is not at all on the same plane as the usual filter failure where substances from a failed filter blocks oil passages and leads to an engine failure. I don't see this case as relevant to the usual issue warranty denial because of filter failure.



Vaughn

 

[QRTRHRS]

My Case dealer's carry both Fleetguard and the "black" Case filters made by Fleetguard. If you want the finer filtration Fleetguard, you will most likely have to order it in which should not be a problem. As I have posted before, this is the time of year for ag dealers to offer specials on filters, etc.

 

[illflem]

Vaughn, I hear what you're saying but in the whiteknight case it almost seems like DC is saying that if you change your oil and filter yourself you just lost warranty coverage in the event that an oil related failure occurs.

 

[Philip]

illflem



In the same thread I posted about my brother in laws problem with DC. Whe he first had the truck towed in. The service manager looked in the computer to check on work done on the truck. When the service manager saw that there was no work done by DC. He said Warrenty is "VOID". Even after it was proven that the truck had lube and oils done around 2k all the time. The warrent was still dissaproved.



I feel this is true also. If DC doesn't do the normal service work. They can drop your warrenty for major engine related problems. I have seen one case in person where it has happened.



My B-in-law used a local shop for his service work.

 

[Pit Bull]

Just figured out that it cost me 27 cents a day more for the dealer to use a Stratpore filter that I provide and do the oil change based on my driving and mileage (3. 75K changes) since mine is a new truck and the dealer is close and seems good. I think for 27 cents a day I won't have to worry about warranty problems. Not worth it for that amount of money

 

[swalls]

Oil filter comparism pix

I have cut apart several Fleetguard and various competitors oil filters. The pictures I have here are for the 8. 3L ISC engine. I have cutaways of the ISB but no digital pix yet.

One of the things which proctect consumers like Whiteknight is the Magnumsom-Moss warranty act. In a very condensed nutshell, the burden of proof is on the manufacturer to prove that NOT having the oil changed by a Dodge dealer caused the problem. If his story is exactly as he presented it, it's high time he quits playing with Dodge and gets a legal gunslinger to present his case.

Anyways, if I can get the link to work, here are some filter pix.

Oil filter pix

 

[Pit Bull]

Nice pic's Swalls, It looks like your best choice in filters is the Fleetguard Stratpore. I'm glad that is the filter I use and will continue to use.

 

[amsoilman]

One of the first things one should do when a service writer, or mechanic, or any other person for that matter says the warranty is void, is to tell them to PUT IT IN WRITING! Most will just back off! According to public law 93-637, Magnuson-Moss Act implemented on July 5,1975, "No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written conditions or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the trerms of the warranty) which is identified by Brand, Trade, or Corporate name. " It also states, "all warranty denials can only be done by the Manufacturer, and must be done in writing. "



Wayne

amsoilman