National concealed carry during time of war

[sdalton]

Hale On Wheels. First of all. just being charged with the crime doesnt mean that you will be denied. You have to be convicted. My point is that if the person is constantly involved and charged multiple times with stupid thims like this and other serious things, then maybe he isnt someone we want running around with a gun.



As far as the HICO officer goes, well he shouldnt have given you a hard time, only explained the laws regarding carrying an unsecured pistol in texas. There is a 5 county exclusion rule to carrying a pistol inside your vehicle in Texas though.

 

[The patriot]

Originally posted by sdalton

Hale On Wheels. First of all. just being charged with the crime doesnt mean that you will be denied. You have to be convicted. My point is that if the person is constantly involved and charged multiple times with stupid thims like this and other serious things, then maybe he isnt someone we want running around with a gun.

What has kind of a person has this guy been using as a character reference?

I cant see them getting someone of substantial morale character as a reference.

I aint knocking any cops here, but maybe whoever arrests this dirtbag next time will be extra careful that everything is done to the book.

I STILL think that if he was convicted, he'd still continue carring a gun.

It's kind of like telling a bankrobber NOT to speed.

Eric:-laf

 

[Mike Ellis]

I agree that we should be able to open carry, and the fact that we are rationed our rights via CHL still leaves me . HOWEVER, it is a bonafide fact that in most areas of the country you will get busted big time if you carry a concealed handgun without permit or license. It may not be RIGHT, but the cop that arrests you won't care, and neither will the prosecuting attorney.



If you are a guy who has a security clearance (like me), an arrest like that could leave you in the unemployment line. So in my case, I give the devil his due, pay the licensing fee, and make sure I can protect myself and family without going to jail for it.



Sdalton,



Unfortunately there is no way for the public at large to know whether somebody gets off on a technicality or not. Most police wouldn't know either unless it still shows up on their record or something. If they beat the rap, and are not listed as a felon, they can vote, run for office, own a gun, etc. I don't see any way to deny THEM their rights without making it easier for the government to deny ME my rights. If we barred anybody who had been arrested from owning guns, the pool of owners would be shrunk significantly I bet.



A paper from 2000 providing still more evidence of the law-abiding nature of the Texas CHL holders is provided at: http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba324/ba324.html



Also, to clarify my earlier post - I would be surprised if police officers AS A GROUP were more law abiding than CHL holders AS A GROUP. Wasn't trying to imply that all cops are crooks or anything. I posted the numbers for the CHL holders, if anybody can show me better numbers for police officers as a group I will holler "Calf Rope!" and eat some humble pie.



Information known to date: Texas CHL holders 199x less likely to be convicted of a crime than the general population.



Did I mention the "199x less likely" part?

 

[sdalton]

Patriot. Believe me when I say that I tried every way possible to get that guys permit to carry yanked. I spend about 45 minutes on the phone with the DA's office, Hommicide, Vice, CID, you name it. Nobody wants to stick their necks out and take the first step. Politics.

 

[WTBurke]

Thanks guys... I'm going to the range right now just to blow off some steam.



You know... . I meet the most polite people at the range



William

 

[Hale on wheels]

Keep after him sdalton. Perseverance will pay off in time. You or someone else will catch him slipping up sometime... you know the old saying--if you play with fire you're bound to get burned.



William---I know what you mean. Everyone is nice at the range! I just got back from there teaching a certain sheet of paper a lesson

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by sdalton

Patriot. Believe me when I say that I tried every way possible to get that guys permit to carry yanked. I spend about 45 minutes on the phone with the DA's office, Hommicide, Vice, CID, you name it. Nobody wants to stick their necks out and take the first step. Politics.

Maybe they are all customers :-laf

 

[Scot]

Originally posted by sdalton

Patriot. Believe me when I say that I tried every way possible to get that guys permit to carry yanked. I spend about 45 minutes on the phone with the DA's office, Hommicide, Vice, CID, you name it. Nobody wants to stick their necks out and take the first step. Politics.

Since DPS issues them, why not ask them?

 

[Mike Ellis]

Since DPS issues them, why not ask them?

Simple - Texas is a "Shall Issue" CHL state. In other words, unless you have a bona fide crime etc on the books that would disqualify you from getting the CHL, the DPS has to issue it to you. This prevents the familiar "no you can't have a license because I don't like you, or because I say so" routine.



Under the US Constitution, even pimp daddy has the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms, until PROVEN a felon. And in Texas, that means if he meets the other requirements he can get a CHL too. It's part of the risk we bear being in a free society... .

 

[bmoeller]

Originally posted by Pit Bull

I think there should be a national concealed carry law during time of war and these threatened terrorist attacks. (There should be all of the time but especially now) I happen to live in a state where there is no CC law. If there is one terrorist attack in my state I will carry even illegally. I think I have the right to protect my life.

I second that!

 

[sdalton]

Pimp Daddy may have the right to carry, but I dont have to like it, and I hope that one day nobody else will run into this person like the one whom he killed, and got away with. He will probably kill again, and I dont have to like it, and I agree that the CHP laws we have here are very good, but some do slip through the crack, and that is where I come in. I will keep an eye on them. Nuff Said.

 

[JohnMcIntyre]

It's just a matter of time.....

Originally posted by Pit Bull

You know I understand the Police in England don't carry guns That would be a great job. You show up during a crime in progress and you have 3 criminals with guns and you are standing there with a night stick.

Actually, every regional police force in England has an armed response unit on 24x7 notice and some are more high profile than others. This is in addition to the more public armed police presence at airports and docks, which has been the "norm" now for at least 5+ years.



It is interesting to note that since the legal right of ownership of all handguns and/or rifles was annulled, the amount of gun related crime/incidents has been rising steadily, year on year. It is now reaching a level, where the general population are now seriously considering the possibility of every British police officer carrying a personal sidearm to ensure they are not compromised in potentially life-threatening situations. Give it another couple of years..... when it does happen and it will, there should be a precedent whereby a repeal of the law preventing private ownership of handguns and rifles could be realistically considered.

 

[JohnMcIntyre]

Are you a liberal/conservative/Texan?

Originally posted by Mike Ellis

the CHL holders here in Texas have proven to be a pretty darned law-abiding bunch. Except for the titanium-nitride (gold) plated Desert Eagle pimp segment, of course...

Funny you should mention that Mike, I just got this in my email a short while ago and thought it was worth sharing with the TDR.....



Are you a Liberal or a Conservative?



You are walking down the street and a guy comes at you with a knife, but you have your own gun . You have seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?



Liberal answer:



a. ) Well that's not enough information to answer the question.

b. ) Does the man look poor or oppressed?

c. ) Have I ever done anything that is inspiring him to be angry?

d. ) Could we run away?

e. ) What would my wife think?

f. ) What about the kids?

g. ) Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?

h. ) Would he be offended?

i. ) What does the Law say about the situation?

j. ) Is it possible, he'd be happy with just killing me and not my family members?

k. ) Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content to wound me, or just rob me?

l. ) If I were to grabs his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me?

m. ) This is all so confusing, I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a conclusion.



Conservative answer:

a) Bang!



Texan answer:



Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang Click... Then sounds of a clip being ejected and a fresh clip being installed... .....



Wife: "Sweetheart it looks like he is still moving. "

Texan: "What do you think kids. "

Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw him move too. "

Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang Click...

Daughter: "Nice grouping Dad"



JMc

 

[Mike Ellis]

JMc,







Scenario seems pretty realistic to me, although most Texas wives would pump a few rounds into the thug themselves if they noticed he was still twitching...