NC HP decision on my $590.00 fine

[CUMMINZ]

Got letter from Raleigh today telling me they are up holding my fine for being overloaded.



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[MMeier]

Next step ??

 

[CUMMINZ]

Pay the fine, I am not going to appeal it. I do plan to get a class "A" license and up my tag to 20k for the 1 or 2 times I tow a dual axle trailer.

 

[GAmes]

Pay the fine, I am not going to appeal it. I do plan to get a class "A" license and up my tag to 20k for the 1 or 2 times I tow a dual axle trailer.

I'm confused. I understand you didn't have a high enough weight registration. You didn't get a ticket for improper class of license, so why get a class A? I don't know about Carolina, but most states only class A is a CDL.

You lose some privleges when you are a CDL holder.

 

[CUMMINZ]

If you tow a trailer of any kind in NC with GVW over 10k you need a class "A" license. That is not a CDL.

 

[DMcGalliard]

My NC License says, class C is any noncommercial single vehicle with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds. A vehicle towing a vehicle which the combined GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds operated by a driver 18years of older.

In my mine that makes is ok to tow RV up to a combined weight of 26,001 pounds.
What does a Class A say.
Dave Mc

 

[HBarlow]

Does NC issue a Class A, B, or Class C Operator's License as well as Class A, B, or C Commercial License?

Some states including Texas are now requiring a Class A operator's license for heavy RVs exceeding 26,000 lbs. I think CA and other states are doing something similar.

 

[RHestand]

I'm confused. I understand you didn't have a high enough weight registration. You didn't get a ticket for improper class of license, so why get a class A? I don't know about Carolina, but most states only class A is a CDL.

You lose some privleges when you are a CDL holder.

Just curious. What privileges do you lose with having a CDL.

TIA for info on this, Ray

 

[HBarlow]

What Gary meant was if a CDL driver is stopped for a violation he is more likely to be ticketed than a driver with an operator's license. Also the CDL driver can't take a Driver Education class to avoid a ticket while an operator can.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Does NC issue a Class A, B, or Class C Operator's License as well as Class A, B, or C Commercial License?



Some states including Texas are now requiring a Class A operator's license for heavy RVs exceeding 26,000 lbs. I think CA and other states are doing something similar.

A big yes.

 

[Cummins Thunder]

Dont forget the DOT inspection for truck and trailer and commercial insurance#@$%!

 

[GAmes]

If you tow a trailer of any kind in NC with GVW over 10k you need a class "A" license. That is not a CDL.

Sorry, still confused. Your total weight was 19,800 which means you were towing a trailer that weighed over 10,000 and I assume had a GVWR over 10,000 as well, yet you were not ticketed for improper license. According to page 11 of the NC DMV handbook http://www.ncdot.org/DMV/driver_services/drivershandbook/download/NCDL_English.pdf you are only required to have a class A if the GVWR of both truck and trailer exceeds 26,001 AND the towed vehicle GVWR is greater than 10,000. That is the same wording that sets the requirements for a CDL when commercial. In other words, just because the trailer's GVWR exceeds 10,000 does not mean you are required to have a class A to pull it. If that were true you would have had two tickets and a class A holder would have been required to drive your rig away. The bright side is that your classes of non-commercial drivers license correspond to the same weights of CDLs like TX does. Pity the Californians who have a non-commercial class A requirement for travel trailers over 10,000 GVWR, but a 5er requirement is over 15,000 GVWR. To further screw things up they need a Class A CDL for recreation doubles or cargo trailers over 10,000 GVWR.

 

[HBarlow]

Dont forget the DOT inspection for truck and trailer and commercial insurance#@$%!

For what? The original poster is not a commecial hauler. He was simply pulling a heavy duty trailer for personal use. His problem was his truck and trailer were not registered for the weight he was towing. It was a tax issue.

A DOT inspection and commercial insurance are not required on a personal non-commercial vehicle just because the driver has to upgrade his license plates for higher weights or because he has a CDL Class A license.

I have a CDL A but my truck doesn't have a DOT inspection sticker and I don't carry commercial liability insurance. My truck is only for personal use.

 

[Cummins Thunder]

For what? The original poster is not a commecial hauler. He was simply pulling a heavy duty trailer for personal use. His problem was his truck and trailer were not registered for the weight he was towing. It was a tax issue.



A DOT inspection and commercial insurance are not required on a personal non-commercial vehicle just because the driver has to upgrade his license plates for higher weights or because he has a CDL Class A license.



I have a CDL A but my truck doesn't have a DOT inspection sticker and I don't carry commercial liability insurance. My truck is only for personal use.

When I was pulled over by Houston Truck I was told that since by GCWR is in excess of 26,000 I needed all I listed. I do not know what his GCWR was but since he listed class A license I would assume its in excess of 26,000.

 

[GAmes]

When I was pulled over by Houston Truck I was told that since by GCWR is in excess of 26,000 I needed all I listed. I do not know what his GCWR was but since he listed class A license I would assume its in excess of 26,000.

I'll bite. What or who is Houston Truck? If you were not commercial you needed a TX non-commercial class A drivers license and normal insurance. If you were hot shotting whoever Houston Truck is was correct. The OP was not in excess of 26,000 BTW, thus my question of why go thru the trouble of getting a class A license.

 

[DennyDay]

Does NC issue a Class A, B, or Class C Operator's License as well as Class A, B, or C Commercial License?



Some states including Texas are now requiring a Class A operator's license for heavy RVs exceeding 26,000 lbs. I think CA and other states are doing something similar.

Most of the states that are requiring an 'A' license are requiring it for a GVW of 26,001 pounds or a trailer grossing 10,000 pounds or more. In Texas and other states an 'A' license is NOT a CDL, but allows operator to drive RV's and other non commercial vehicles.

 

[surfbeetle]

In CA, you can get a non commercial class A primarily for larger fifth wheel trailers over 15k. I have had a CDL Class B since I was 18. A couple years ago, I upgraded to a CDL Class A. I chose a restriction 88 which is a 26000 lb limit. I did this because I wanted tow a utility trailer behind my fifth wheel. To tow doubles, I had to get a "doubles and triples" endorsement but that was only available with a CDL Class A. I simply felt that I would never be driving a big rig and this allowed me to take the driver's test in my Ram with my Fifth wheel. They don't test double trailers in CA.

 

[HBarlow]

Most of the states that are requiring an 'A' license are requiring it for a GVW of 26,001 pounds or a trailer grossing 10,000 pounds or more. In Texas and other states an 'A' license is NOT a CDL, but allows operator to drive RV's and other non commercial vehicles.

Yes, I know. I thought that was what I said.

 

[GAmes]

Most of the states that are requiring an 'A' license are requiring it for a GVW of 26,001 pounds or a trailer grossing 10,000 pounds or more.

It is not "or" it is "with" a trailer that has a GVWR over 10,000. As long as the combined rating is below 26,001 you can tow trailers over 10,000 with a class C. My truck has a GVWR of 10,500. I can tow trailers with GVWRs up to 15,500 with a non-commercial class C. The NC drivers handbook is worded the same as Texas and most other states. To my knowledge CA is the only state that stipulates a class A CDL to pull cargo trailers over 10,000.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Page #13, OR TRAILER WITH GVW OVER 10K. CLASS A NEEDED. FOR NC.