Need more power from my VE

[MEby]

after spending hours reaserching previous threads and stickys, I will start a new one. I would like to wind up to around 400 hp in my '92 engine. See sig for current mods. Who knows, every time I work on bombing the truck that number goes up. :-laf where do I find more info on the "kta pump head" or the " 14mm head" that I hear bgilbert is running? I would really like to stay with the ve and not p-pump the truck. What other internal mods can be done to the pump? Can I do the mods? My skill level is approx. a 5 out of 10. I plan on going with some edm 80 to 100 hp injectors, some more air flow improvements like an upgraded turbo, maybe a cam and some porting and polishing. water/meth is in the future somewhere to. Thanks for all the bad infuence

 

[CSchafer]

400 is doable with out the 14mm head. Sounds like the right idea for injectors, get some air to it and you shouldnt have a problem.

 

[Niki]

Be honest with yourself w/ your power expectations. You can sell your motor complete for almost as much as you can buy a complete 97-8 215 horse motor/pump. Then you can make as much power as you want.

 

[MEby]

Be honest with yourself w/ your power expectations. (QUOTE]







Okay, you got me. what I really want is an 600-700 hp first gen. :-laf

 

[Niki]

Be honest with yourself w/ your power expectations. (QUOTE]







Okay, you got me. what I really want is an 600-700 hp first gen. :-laf

My point exactly... If I ever find a rust free example to my liking it'll have a P pump

 

[JStokes]

Take the VE pump off

Put on a P-pump. I know it has been done.

 

[CSchafer]

It would be a shame to spend all that time and money on a p-pump set up just to get 400 hp. Your still gonna need a turbo and injectors for a p-pump to get there so why not just do it with the ve. There are quite a few guys on DTR claiming over 350hp with pod's and a hybrid. Get some edm's and a s300 based turbo and you shouldnt have a problem. My 2 cents

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

Look at my sig. Numbers generated at Meridian ID and Spokane WA this summer. I bought some dyno time to tune my W/M. With W/M I will be looking for 450RWHP next year at Meridian.



Bob Oo. Oo.

 

[MEby]

Look at my sig. Numbers generated at Meridian ID and Spokane WA this summer. I bought some dyno time to tune my W/M. With W/M I will be looking for 450RWHP next year at Meridian.



Bob Oo. Oo.

In your sig you have DD3 injectors. What exactly should I look for in injectors? Local shop says they can get me 80 hp edm for $500 and 100hp edm I dont know how much. Is that possible because everywhere else I look the highest hp i've seen is DD4 from piers at 75hp. And if you dont mind telling me, what are working on to increase to 450 hp?



Edit.

Oh, and what does W/M stand for?

 

[PToombs]

W/M stands for water / meth (alcohol), also known as DRUGS!

 

[MEby]

W/M stands for water / meth (alcohol), also known as DRUGS!

sorry about that, I think I had a senior moment there. I figured out what that meant the instant after i posted. and i'm only 22

 

[Niki]

It would be a shame to spend all that time and money on a p-pump set up just to get 400 hp. Your still gonna need a turbo and injectors for a p-pump to get there so why not just do it with the ve. There are quite a few guys on DTR claiming over 350hp with pod's and a hybrid. Get some edm's and a s300 based turbo and you shouldnt have a problem. My 2 cents

It is a waste to put a p pump on if all you want to make is 400 HP, but a p pump will carry you well beyond that. Most people get bored and inevitably want more power.

 

[DVolk]

need more power from my VE

Why in the first place would any one want so much hp

in a street truck ?



If you got more money than use and want to fry the engine



then run propane injection , along with nitrous , and turn the pump wide open and bore the injectors out , then back the govonor spring off , or just stretch it ?



these engine had 300 hp in the marine versions and the mid range trucks



I like horse power too , but it has to be for a reason



This why were getting crammed with the ULSD fuel because of guys



rigs pukeing the black smoke out of there trucks .



Renember HP causes heat you can only cool them so much .



And theres not much room for bigger radaitors in a gen 1,2, or 3



to me 300 to 325 were thruck runs god and dont run hot and belch



black out the back is appropiate more than that needs to be a track only rig



as is my 650hp big block and small block mopar V8's are

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

If you can find DD3+ injectors they would be spendy $1200 for a set. they are honed DD3s and after they built mine they said the next set would cost $1200.



As far as heat goes they don't run hot - depending on where I drive they run at 500 to 700 degrees when not towing. When towing I have seen 1150 on Cabage Hill in Eastern Oregon. This is the main reason for the W/M - it lowers egt's and also provides 30 to 100 RWHP depending on the mix.



I can generate smoke when I want to but a nice thing about W/M is that the smoke goes away when you put your foot into it. I've built my truck for towing not raw HP. It just happens to run real close to 400 without W/M and well over 400 with W/M.



From what I have seen and heard the EDMs would be a good choise.

 

[MEby]

Why in the first place would any one want so much hp

in a street truck ?



If you got more money than use and want to fry the engine



then run propane injection , along with nitrous , and turn the pump wide open and bore the injectors out , then back the govonor spring off , or just stretch it ?



these engine had 300 hp in the marine versions and the mid range trucks



I like horse power too , but it has to be for a reason



This why were getting crammed with the ULSD fuel because of guys



rigs pukeing the black smoke out of there trucks .



Renember HP causes heat you can only cool them so much .



And theres not much room for bigger radaitors in a gen 1,2, or 3



to me 300 to 325 were thruck runs god and dont run hot and belch



black out the back is appropiate more than that needs to be a track only rig



as is my 650hp big block and small block mopar V8's are

To answer your questions, few people need that kind of hp. We want hp. Who knows, maybe i'll be happy with 300 hp. not likely though. In my business we haul storage buildings down the road that have a frontal area of up to 10' tall by 14' wide. A load like that pulls harder than any of the of the 25-30,000 lb loads (truck not included) I have pulled, hands down. To put it simply I can use 400hp. Oh yes, I do realize that I am my own warrenty station. 2nd, I dont want to go with most drugs because i aim to build a truck thats as reliable or better than what dodge sold me. 3rd, enviromentalists will always be enviromentalists no matter what we do with our trucks. I you would like to start a thread in the polotics forum I would be more than happy to debate the subject. That said, i'm not looking to build a truck that belches black smoke all the time. Banks has proven that our trucks dont have to belch smoke. Black smoke is just more fuel than engine is able to burn efficiantly. ( correct me if i'm wrong with my simplistic explanation. )lastly, its the guys who keep wrenching on their trucks who make the discoverys on how to better our trucks.



The point in starting this thread is that what I said earlier in this post about building reliable and somewhat clean hp. a lot has happened in the 1st gen world in the last few years. Several years ago building a reliable high ( thats relative of course ) hp 1st gen wasnt anywhere close to what is possible now. Hopefuly some of you guys with years more experience can help me and or correct me.

 

[dpuckett]

MEby- you are correct on all points. The beauty of a diesel is, you can have your 400-600hp on tap, ready to go when you want it, but unless you use it, it will behave like a stock engine- run smoothly, clean, and varying quietness, depending on your exhaust. Unlike a gasser, in which the idle goes to pot with a cam, and they spew out raw unburned fuel at idle, due to not being able to keep up with demand at higher RPMs if it idled well.



Daniel

 

[DVolk]

need more power from my VE

30,000 LBS that is 2 times what the truck will pull and is rated for .



One that is just plainly nuts with a 3/4 ton , or 1 ton , ,



You dont need a pick up , you need a 2 ton truck , of which is still under the cdl , any thing over 20,000lbs in some states are required to pull into the scales



i can see 300 to 400 hp , as marine parts will get you that easily , but 600 hp is nuts



Go but a single axel tractor , something designed to haul 40,000 lbs , not a 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup



The Owner of Krugers Truck Stop was killed trying to max out his dodge about 12 years ago , if you want to be like him get up on it ,



not me , i got 2 69 peterbilts and a 52 auto car for those heavy haul task



and they get 9 miles to the gallon , i got fuel slips to prove it

 

[Greenleaf]

I won't take sides on this however I will comment that member Philip and I visited with another TDR member who had nothing but bad things to say about the towing capacity of a modified 1999 3500. It looked like he was pulling a house. He mentioned the DTT transmission will not hold the added power pulling his other vehicle along with the trailer and camper :-laf

 

[MEby]

well gentlemen, I did not intend for this to go into being a thread were i'm told i'm crazy for pulling that much. I aready know that. :-laf All I intended was so I can learn some more about deisel engine, more particularly the injection pump. anybody?



PS. I would use a semi to pull these heavy loads, but semis don't fit into the tiny yards I deliver the barns to in suburbia and in town.

 

[JLEONARD]

The way I read it was that the wind resistance of the load made it act like it was heavy and that is was not the weight. So the braking and frame strength should be ok.

MEby just needs some ponies to pull against the wind resistance.

Is that true or did I interperet it wrong?