new 07 trucks

[jhnbrll]

Any new info on the new dodges? Anything? Any juice, gossip or otherwise? I hate suspense. Its killin' me.



John

 

[hasselbach]

Any new info on the new dodges? Anything? Any juice, gossip or otherwise? I hate suspense. Its killin' me.



John

I think Dodge scrapped the Mercedes engine and are in talks with GM to install the highly superior Duramax instead, under the Brand Name "Dura Dodge"

 

[BPollister]

I will have my cummins for the rest of my life if they put a v8 dipermax in a dodge. They have had such a good rap ever since they put an inline in there trucks i cannot see them going with a V8. Just rember this SIX IN A ROW MAKE IT GO!!!!!

 

[Coolslice]

The only thing that is certain is that it will have an improved version of the 5. 9 , only with a larger displacement. Some are saying a 6. 7L, but there has been no evidence to support that. It will be several months, if not a year or more before the new engine actually hits the showroom so time will tell.

 

[mlewis73]

The only thing that is certain is that it will have an improved version of the 5. 9 , only with a larger displacement. Some are saying a 6. 7L, but there has been no evidence to support that. It will be several months, if not a year or more before the new engine actually hits the showroom so time will tell.

Will the new engine have the particulate traps, etc. ? What about EGR? I'm thinking about waiting till '07 for my purchase, but worry about first year production of a new engine and the addition of emissions junk onto an otherwise good engine.

 

[Coolslice]

Will the new engine have the particulate traps, etc. ? What about EGR? I'm thinking about waiting till '07 for my purchase, but worry about first year production of a new engine and the addition of emissions junk onto an otherwise good engine.

I don't have that info, yet.

From what I have been told, you can expect the new model to be significantly more expensive do to the extra emissions requirements. I doubt DC will eat the added expense.



I personally think it's waaaay too early to know if one should wait or not. There will be lots of water going under the bridge before you have the option of the new model. I personally think that the current model will be a better bet. It is proven and refined. My gut feeling is that by 07 diesels will be falling out of favor if they are not starting to already, mostly due to the cost of fuel and the added cost of meeting EPA rules.



I'd say that for 95% of people, the current model will work just as well as the 07. Just my . 02

 

[jhnbrll]

Will all the models have the 6. 7 or just the larger 4500-5500?

 

[Buffalo]

I remember reading a post from a dealer, recently, who said they were at the Dealers Show in Las Vegas & saw a new Dodge with the 6. 7 & a new Aisin 6-speed automatic behind it. The truck was a cab & chassis, as I recall.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Mhannink]

im not sure diesel will be falling out of favor. in fact i think its the opposite there are more and more diesels on the road everyday. look at europe they are about 80% diesel and when we get the good fuel in 07 we will see alot of those.



this is just my . 02 worth of observations i could easly be wrong. its just what i see

 

[osiris]

whats this good fuel you speak of?

 

[Mhannink]

well as i have heard it diesel will be standerdized in 07 actualy mid 06. the cetane numbers will have a minimun, right now its whatever the plant decides or gets. maybe one level, could be like gas is now w/ multipul levels. it will be cleaner and ulsd(ultra low sulfer diesel). the ulsd is maybe a down side since its what lubes everything. basically the fuel will be made cleaner and better w/ a standard and quality control much like the euro diesel. this is mostly just rumors ive heard tho there are some articals around but i don't know where



on more reason i think diesel will be in favor and grow is because of bio fuel it seems to be catching on. slow yes but its coming.

 

[SThorud]

well as i have heard it diesel will be standerdized in 07 actualy mid 06. the cetane numbers will have a minimun, right now its whatever the plant decides or gets. maybe one level, could be like gas is now w/ multipul levels. it will be cleaner and ulsd(ultra low sulfer diesel). the ulsd is maybe a down side since its what lubes everything. basically the fuel will be made cleaner and better w/ a standard and quality control much like the euro diesel. this is mostly just rumors ive heard tho there are some articals around but i don't know where



on more reason i think diesel will be in favor and grow is because of bio fuel it seems to be catching on. slow yes but its coming.

Yes, and because the fuel is "cleaner" and more standardized it will cost more. ULSD will come at a price.



Also, it's not the sulfur that adds the lubricity to the fuel. It's the process to remove the sulfur that reduces the lubricity of the fuel. So, yes - the fuel is more lubricous when it has a ton of sulfur, but it's not the sulfur that directly adds the lubricity to the fuel. ULSD will contain a lube additive to keep the lubricity at an acceptable level. Again, that will come at a price.



'07 emissions are like nothing we've seen before. No engine manufacturer is getting around the after-treatment devices (ATD). This isn't like 04 where Cummins was able to stay away from cooled-EGR. All diesel engines will be sporting ATDs which will add thousands to the overall vehicle price.

 

[FATCAT]

Any new info on the new dodges? Anything? Any juice, gossip or otherwise? I hate suspense. Its killin' me.



John

My advice (if your looking for a new truck), is to get a late 2006 or pre-2007 emission 2007 model.

I'm sure that when the new "emmision approved" diesel trucks come out, most of us will be going back to gas engines.



Once again the gov't will destroy an industry with regulation. I wish we could just frog march these EPA nazis out of their offices and give them a neck-tie party.

 

[SThorud]

My advice (if your looking for a new truck), is to get a late 2006 or pre-2007 emission 2007 model.

I'm sure that when the new "emmision approved" diesel trucks come out, most of us will be going back to gas engines.



Once again the gov't will destroy an industry with regulation. I wish we could just frog march these EPA nazis out of their offices and give them a neck-tie party.

Best advice yet.

 

[Dieselhed]

When I bought my '03 I said I should have kept my '98. 5. When I bought my 2004. 5 I said I should have kept my '03. Third times a charm, I'm keepin' this one! These emmisions just keep getting worse and worse.

 

[JMingledorff]

Yup I'm going to buy a late 06 truck. I don't like to be generation 1 of anything and I don't want the added cost etc of buying an 07.

 

[chrleb1]

The 6. 7L was developed to meet the Tier 3 standards that are coming into effect. I think if they go through with this, it will be done right. The nice thing about the 6. 7L, it meets the standards with no added external components. It will be interesting to see what is done. The engine is about the same, just with some added features and a longer stroke (same bore though). The motor is advertised over 700 lbs of torque (i think 730). The part that might be rough is the rear gear train. Not sure how that will work out though.

 

[SThorud]

The 6. 7L was developed to meet the Tier 3 standards that are coming into effect. I think if they go through with this, it will be done right. The nice thing about the 6. 7L, it meets the standards with no added external components. It will be interesting to see what is done. The engine is about the same, just with some added features and a longer stroke (same bore though). The motor is advertised over 700 lbs of torque (i think 730). The part that might be rough is the rear gear train. Not sure how that will work out though.

It would be nice if this was true for the Dodge, but it's not. You are correct in saying that the 6. 7L was developed to meet Tier 3. It's also known as the QSB and was formerly a 5. 9L engine. Tier 3 unfortunately is the "off-road" emissions standard and is equivalent to the 2004 "on-road" emissions standard. Tier 3 only addresses HC and NOx with no emphasis on PM.



The emphasis on PM is where the "on-road" standards differ. For '07 the PM is being reduced from . 1 g/bhp-hr ('04 standard) to . 01 g/bhp-hr. This reduction can't be acheived without aftertreament also known as DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter).



Also, the NOx levels are required to drop about 1. 5 g/bhp-hr from '04 to '07.



Guaranteed, no matter which OEM you go with they will all have a small "torpedo" (DPF) mounted downstream of the exhaust. Cleaning intervals of these DPFs sound to be still up in the air but they look to be somewhere around 150K miles.

 

[Buffalo]

Can someone explain, exactly, how these Diesel Particulate Filters work? If there is maintainance involved, what is it & how often?



Do you have any idea how these new engines with the latest & greatest in emmissions technology will respond to bombing?



Thanks.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[SThorud]

http://www.fleetguard.com/fleet/pdfs/product_lit/americas_brochures/LT32633.pdf



Info from Fleetguard.



http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/bigdig_case_08.htm



http://www.epa.gov/otaq/schoolbus/replacement.htm



Info from the Greenies.