new 07 trucks

[Msilbernagel]

Any new info on the new dodges? Anything? Any juice, gossip or otherwise? I hate suspense. Its killin' me. John

Well, Ok, how about rumors with something to chew on:



That the '07 engine will be a Daimler-Benz product manufactured by Detroit Diesel...



Note (below) there is...



1) aquisition of the remaining part of Detroit Diesel

2) emissions readiness

3) inclination towards the medium-duty market with 4 and 6 cylinder engines.

4) they mention the 'Dodge Ram' rumor.

5) published (elsewhere) mention of the Dodge/Cummins contract ending in 2007



Mark

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Found at: Diamlerchrysler Gears Up Truck Business With Detroit Diesel Western Star



"Daimlerchrysler Gears Up Truck Business With Detroit Diesel Western Star" Automotive Industries, August, 2000 by Dale Jewett



Daimler Chrysler AG'S moves to bring Detroit Diesel Corp. and Western Star Trucks into the corporate fold represent an $877 million maneuver to solidify its position as one of the top heavy-duty truck makers and guarantee it an ample supply of powertrains.



DaimlerChrysler pulled off the acquisitions within a day of each other in late July, paying $454 million for Western Star and about $423 million for the 78 percent of Detroit Diesel that it didn't already own.



Western Star, the Canadian based maker of heavy trucks, joins Freightliner, Sterling (the former Class 8 truck operations of Ford Motor Co. ), and Mercedes-Benz in the Daimler-Chrysler truck stable.



The Detroit Diesel deal helps guarantee a steady supply of engines for that truck lineup -- Detroit Diesel is Freightliner's biggest engine supplier. The engine maker, controlled by entrepreneur Roger Penske, also supplies small diesels used in Dodge Dakota pickups built in Brazil, as well as some vehicle applications in Europe.



Penske guided the revival of Detroit Diesel from the late 1980s after it had been castoff as a money-losing business from General Motors Corp. Penske negotiated a deal that gave him Detroit Diesel's workforce and its corporate office and manufacturing facility in suburban Detroit for a lease price of $1 per year. Last year the company posted profits of $49. 2 million on sales of $2. 36 billion. It now has plants in the U. S. , Brazil and Italy. The crown jewel of the company's lineup is the Series 60 engine for heavy-duty trucks.



More than a year ago DaimlerChrysler had made a bid to acquire the rest of Detroit Diesel but was rebuffed by Penske, who holds nearly 49 percent of the company's stock and wasn't happy with the offer.



DaimlerChrysler's minority stake in Detroit Diesel led to joint ventures with the automaker's MTU-Friedrichshafen unit



For Detroit Diesel the acquisition funds its future, says John Stark, industry analyst and publisher of Stark's Truck and Off-Highway Ledger.



"This gives Detroit Diesel a secure source of funding to redesign its engines to meet strict new emissions laws coming in 2007," Stark says. It costs between $500 million and $1 billion to develop a new diesel engine, he notes.



The deal also may help sell a line of smaller four- and six-cylinder diesel engines that Detroit Diesel developed for use in light trucks and sport-utilities, Stark says. Detroit Diesel first touted the engine family two years ago, but hasn't been able to find many takers, since most are already hooked up with competitors. It could also reignite rumors that DaimlerChrysler is looking to replace the popular Cummins diesel engine currently used in the Dodge Ram pickup.



DaimlerChrysler's deep pockets will also enable Detroit Diesel to expand production. Last year it sold 91,000 heavy duty engines.



"Freightliner President James Hebe hasn't forgotten that when the truck business was at a record high there was a shortage of powertrains from some makers, and Detroit Diesel was one of them," says Stark "They haven't had the money to expand. "



The move guarantees DaimlerChrysler a steady engine supply. "With the purchase of Detroit Diesel, DaimlerChrysler is going the route of Mack Trucks and vertically integrating is components supply," Stark observes. "What's next for them in this strategy is transmissions. "



Currently, the recently merged ArvinMeritor is DaimlerChrysler's largest supplier of heavy truck transmission. But a bid for that company is unlikely, Stark says.



"The balance sheets of Detroit Diesel and Western Star were spotless," Stark says. "There's wasn't a lot of long-term debt and the timing was riqht. "



COPYRIGHT 2000 Cahners Publishing Company

COPYRIGHT 2000 Gale Group

 

[jhnbrll]

well that certainly was a mouthful. I am a diehard Cummins guy so I don't like the sounds of that. Although hard to prove it sounds like a huge snowball to me.

 

[SThorud]

First of all, that article is dated 2000.



Secondly, A LOT has changed since then.

 

[Msilbernagel]

First of all, that article is dated 2000.



Secondly, A LOT has changed since then.

Yeah... I know. But, he did say rumors were Ok!! :-laf



On the other hand, I've been talking elsewhere with someone who has better sources - and this article, old as it is, was conveniently reflective of the other information.



BUT - speaking of what's changed, what have you heard?



Thx,



Mark

 

[EBolgiano]

The Federal Government will offer an incentive (on your taxes) in the calender year 2006 for all vehicles bought with diesel motivation. I can not remember where I read this and of course the Feds change their collective minds like the wind but, it is part of the tax code for next year.

 

[ilovetrains]

The Federal Government will offer an incentive (on your taxes) in the calender year 2006 for all vehicles bought with diesel motivation. I can not remember where I read this and of course the Feds change their collective minds like the wind but, it is part of the tax code for next year.

This is true now if the engine is rated as a flex fuel or alternative fuel engine. I took it on a 02 Tahoe that was rated to burn E-85. If Cummins rated the engine to burn B-10, or really B anything, then you could take the credit.



As of now there is no plan to include a tax break for diesel only fuel vehicles.

 

[Coolslice]

The new engine is a Cummins, that is a fact. My "source" that has been working on it says that he believes that we are likely only about 30 to 60 days away from the details being released. Considering what stage DC is now in with this new engine, it will be very hard to keep wraps on it for too much longer.

 

[Msilbernagel]

The new engine is a Cummins, that is a fact. My "source" that has been working on it says that he believes that we are likely only about 30 to 60 days away from the details being released. Considering what stage DC is now in with this new engine, it will be very hard to keep wraps on it for too much longer.

I like your version of reality so much better... :-laf Ditto to PGiannosa.



Personally, I think if they move away from Cummins it would be like shooting themselves in both kneecaps, heart and temple.



Detroit, by reputation, can't match the draw (IMHO).



I wouldn't buy a Dodge w/o the Cummins. . oh, wait, I didn't!! But, at least I have Dodge to thank for the improvements! Oo.



Mark

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'93 GMC K2500 Sub - 04. 5 ISBe 5. 9L Cummins - NV5600 - 4. 10

 

[2Gen3Gen]

I like your version of reality so much better... :-laf Ditto to PGiannosa.



Personally, I think if they move away from Cummins it would be like shooting themselves in both kneecaps, heart and temple.



Detroit, by reputation, can't match the draw (IMHO).



I wouldn't buy a Dodge w/o the Cummins. . oh, wait, I didn't!! But, at least I have Dodge to thank for the improvements! Oo.



Mark

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'93 GMC K2500 Sub - 04. 5 ISBe 5. 9L Cummins - NV5600 - 4. 10

I didnt intend to jack this thread but... Being the Chevy man I am, do you want to sell that bad boy Suburban?????? I love it! Oo. :--)

 

[Msilbernagel]

I didnt intend to jack this thread but... Being the Chevy man I am, do you want to sell that bad boy Suburban?????? I love it! Oo. :--)

Thanks, but I'm having a lot of fun with it! While it was being repowered, I also got all those annoying things fixed that I never seemed to get around to before... so, I still look for excuses to go for a ride. Oo.



Ken and Dawna just finished doing another one ('95) for a fellow in Texas. You ought to find yourself one you like with a toasted engine/transmission and get them to repower it for you. They're members here (autoworld).



Mark

 

[kah68]

I might be getting a little off topic here, but how come they don't develop cleaner fuel - like mentioned before 'euro diesel' - using a V. O. or Soyia blend to reduce or eliminate the emissions equipment required to run these engines. It would seem that class 8 trucks down to pickup trucks would be better off paying a few cents a gallon more than thousands of dollars up front on emissions equipment. I have to say that I would much rather go back to a 190 h. p. 12v that would produce 12-15 mpg towing that my current restricted, retarded 05' that puts out 325 hp that gets 7. 5 - 10 mpg. With the Horsepower wars and govt. regs for emissions ever tightening, our once fuel efficient trucks are making gas look good again.

 

[SThorud]

That's exactly what they're doing. It's called Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). Everyone will pay more for it, and everyone will pay the thousands extra for the new emissions equipment. Neat, huh?

 

[RM]

5.9 updated to 6.7 in europe

you boys seen this http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/news/pr01.jsp

 

[Spooled-up]

I don't know what the formula to convert Nm to ft/lbs is offhand, but they say a 17% increase, and that equates to a little over 700 ft/lbs

 

[RM]

if my conversion is correct its 811

 

[Davey]

I wonder if Dodge will make a couple of month's of 07' truck's with the new auto and the bigger cummins, without the mandated epa stuff on it prior to a Jan 1 , 2007 build date?

 

[RM]

i dont think so it cost so much to certifie a engine that it would make absolutely no sense to do it. im wondering how early that they will start the 07 run so they can claim biggest and badiest. im betting that the 07 will have vgt, partical traps and i hope not egr but the 07 regs are strick enough to just about kill diesel as a onroad powerplant thats why im working toward a 06. im scared of the 07 it sound like 1973 all over again. remeber cars in 73?

 

[jhnbrll]

are they still going to have the G-56 behind the new engine?

 

[DGamelin]

Heard the new motor will be a cummins 6. 7 called the (810) because of the torque. It will be standard in the 4500 & 5500, a option in the 3500. Coming in 07. I think they said 450HP.

 

[mlewis73]

I thought Ford's 6. 0 was SUPPOSED to already meet the 2007 emission requirements.



Doesn't the 5. 9 already meet them?



God that 6. 7 is gonna be grand if it gets into the 3500. I'd love to have that toy... of course, I'd probably sooner take any incentives and get a 5. 9... assuming the 5. 9 meets 2007 emissions...



Comments?





Mike