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Found this on the forum over at www.bobistheoilguy.com I thought it was noteworthy.



New Diesel Oil Approved On Time

By David McFall



Last Wednesday saw the birth of the latest diesel engine oil specification, API CI-4.



Equilon’s Ralph Cherrillo, chairman of Subcommittee B of ASTM’s Committee D-2 for Petroleum Products and Lubricants, presided over the approval of what had been known as Proposed Catetory 9 (PC-9) during its two-and-a-half-year gestation period.



The category upgrade was a remarkable achievement – produced on time, with universal satisfaction for the outcome. Marketers will begin to sell this new oil shortly, and API will begin licensing CI-4 oils on Sept. 5, 2002.



The on-time approval is a feather in ASTM’s cap but CI-4 arrived without a moment to spare. Diesel engine builders must meet stringent emissions requirements during 2002. Most new engines do this by incorporating Exhaust Gas Recirculation, a technology which reduces emissions but increases the oil’s soot content. The new oil makes significant improvements in soot handling, corrosive wear control and oxidation control.



CI-4 was officially launched by Subcommittee B, which is responsible for automotive lubricants. But all the nitty-gritty technical work was completed in the Heavy Duty Engine Oil Classification Panel, chaired by ChevronTexaco’s Jim McGeehan.



“This was a very successful ballot,” McGeehan pointed out with pride. “CI-4 was produced with an enormous amount of work and effort, in addition to $6 million in testing costs. ” Twenty-nine of the 31 votes (not including 11 abstains) voted full approval initially. The two negative votes were editorial, and both were changed to approvals after discussion.



API CI-4’s on-time achievement is doubly remarkable when placed against the two-year delay encountered by the latest passenger car engine oil, API SL/GF-3, prior to its approval earlier this year. New test development is generally conceded to be the single issue which causes most delay in finalizing a new engine oil category.



For GF-3 five new tests, an unprecedented number, were developed over 49 months. CI-4’s three new engine and two new bench tests were completed in about half that time. CI-4 has a total of eight fired engine tests and seven bench tests.



Two of the three new engine tests were sponsored by principal users – Volvo/Mack Powertrain and Cummins Engine Co. Both Volvo/Mack’s Greg Shank and David Stenhouwer, of Cummins, expressed satisfaction with CI-4’s major technical improvements over the current diesel oil, CH-4. Shank noted also, “the important inclusion for the first time of used oil low-temperature performance criteria. ” Stenhouwer cited tests ensuring elastomer compatibility as an important improvement.

 
Yes. Soon almost all diesel oils will bear the CI-4 label. Some CH-4 oils already meet the CI-4 specs without reformulation. The rest will reformulate using Group II and III base stocks and more robust additive packages. CI-4 oils will be required for the next generation of Cummins engines which will likely use EGR and lean burn technology. These engines will produce more soot (only in the oil) and have higher rates of oil oxidation and nitration than the present engines. Older engines will benefit from the CI-4 spec through longer drain intervals (but I doubt that the manufacturers will say this).
 
Thanks Ryan, I missed that one.



I'm surprised Detroit diesel wasn't part of the research money. DD, especially Series 50, has serious soot problems even without cooled EGR.



Last news I heard was that DD, Cummins, and Mack will all be EGR equipped in 2002 to meet the new emission standards. Cat is asking for a year's waiver to come up with a non EGR approach.

DD Series 50 switched over to cooled EGR this summer.



Bill;

Oils are usually backward compatible to older engines.



-John
 
Originally posted by Lee Weber

Yes. Soon almost all diesel oils will bear the CI-4 label. Some CH-4 oils already meet the CI-4 specs without reformulation.

Lee,

OK, somebody's got to ask, so I'll be the goat:

Do you happen to know if Amsoil HDD 5W-30 already meets this?
 
Funny thing, every EGR valve I own has a . 22 shell in the vacuum line. Have a truck that needed injector cleaner every couple of months until that . 22 shell got sucked in. Not anymore! In one case I had to switch to a colder heat range on the spark plugs. In the really hot months mid octane fuel is needed. First plugged at 30k and now 170,000 and still a dialy driver. The EGR valve is probably the worst thing ever dreamed up. Really chaps my saddle area because small piston driven planes burn high octane leaded gas and dont have a CAT or EGR of muffler or PCV. Guess we need a bigger lobby like them.
 
TooSlick spends too much time on the TDI board, but here is his reply:



hi Lee,

I understand their 15w-40 HD diesel and marine oil already meets the proposed limits for the part of the test matrix that remains the same. Since some of the CI-4 tests involve EGR equipped engines, it would depend if Lubrizol has already done testing with their proposed CI-4 additive chemistry in some of these newer test engines. What generally happens is that additive and engine companies do some testing as the next spec is shaping up, in order to see how repeatable the proposed tests are and how difficult the limits will be to meet.



I would not expect Amsoil or the Delvac 1 to have much of a problem meeting these new standards, based on their performance in the EGR equipped TDI motor ... .



Ted



I think that means probably yes.
 
Lee, TooSlick,



Thanks for the feedback. Now that I've recently added bypass filtration and will be going to longer drains, it will be more than a year before I need to order more oil, so I was sort of hoping that what I've got already meets the new standard. I'm not worried about it since the analysis will verify my oil is doing a good job, but the "quest to have the best" can be just additive as other types of Bombing.
 
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