New By-Pass Element from Amsoil INc.

[Diesel Power]

A given filter can only absorb and hold just so much crud - and when that capacity is reached, it might clog, or simply start to "channel" and begin to allow contaminated oil to pass on thru.







On my engine, down low on the block just above the pan flange, there are some openings that are blocked off with caps resembling freeze plugs. Some guys have reported removing one of those plugs - apparently used as dipstick openings on some applications - and using them as an oil return.

thats another way to do it, just use the right one!!!

 

[amsoilman]

I have my bypass dumping back to the engine through a fitting in the oil filler neck cap. I replace the filter when the flow diminishes or when the top of the filter gets to rusty to look at. So far it has always flowed oil when I have checked it. If the filter doesn't degrade I wonder why I would want to replace it while it still flow sufficiently.

This is one way to tell if the amsoil by-pass is still functioning. Some people wil feel the element to see if it is hot, and can get a pretty good idea if oil is flowing through it. The way you have it returning back through the filler cap is a very good way to see if there is oil flowing. If you are usiny the Amsoil by-pass elements, they will not channel. Garaunteed. The amsoil by-pass elements do not have a by-pass valve like a "Full-Flow" filter would have, as it is already a by-pass filter. If it were to ever get plugged up, it just would not flow ANY oil through it!



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[p-Bar]

Hey everyone, I was looking at getting dual bypass filter but I read over at the DieselRam site people were having problem with no oil pressure at startup. The local Amsoil guy said that they were recommending a different filter setup for the 04+ trucks. Are any of you running the regular bypass filter, if so are you having any problems. The way it sounded to me was it was only a problem with auto's, not sure why that would matter. . Any input would be great. . Thanks and have a great weekend. . ROB

No problem what so ever

 

[Buffalo]

DIESEL POWER,



Regarding your comment about using the "right" plugged hole in the block, are some of them not compatible for oil return? Which ones are OK to use & which are not?



Thanks as I've been thinking of using one of the plugged holes as a return.



One of the guys on the 2nd Gen Forum, 24 valve, I believe, had a great post, with pictures, of what he did. He had a great idea, I thought.



Anyone know of the best way to get the plugs out of the block? I thought of drilling a hole & putting a large screw into it to pull the plug out but, I worry about getting metal shavings from the shavings in the oil.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[brods]

The by-pass system Amsoil is now recommending for the 2004 and up Dodge/Cummins trucks is a "Single" remote (BMK-11) as there is an issue of the computer on these trucks that "CAN" make the oil pressure gauge read low or even drop to ZERO!



However, in all the tests that they conducted on this, the "ACTUAL" oil pressure was not effected... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... just the reading.



Amsoil did issue a TSB on this, and now recommends the BMK-11 By-Pass as mentioned.





Wayne

amsoilman

Can you elaborate more on this? How can they say the “actual” oil pressure was not effected? The only direct oil pressure sensor the ECM has is the 6 psi switch, so for it to set a code or even read low on the scale, the oil pressure would have to be less than 6 psi. How is it a “computer issue” rather than a mechanical issue?



To keep from diverting too much oil through the bypass filter at idle or startup, does the bypass kit have a spring loaded inlet valve, set so like a minimum of 10 psi oil pressure is required before it will open and allow oil to flow to the filter?

 

[amsoilman]

Can you elaborate more on this? How can they say the “actual” oil pressure was not effected? The only direct oil pressure sensor the ECM has is the 6 psi switch, so for it to set a code or even read low on the scale, the oil pressure would have to be less than 6 psi. How is it a “computer issue” rather than a mechanical issue?



To keep from diverting too much oil through the bypass filter at idle or startup, does the bypass kit have a spring loaded inlet valve, set so like a minimum of 10 psi oil pressure is required before it will open and allow oil to flow to the filter?

https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/techservicesbulletin/BMK15_recommendation.pdf



This is the link to the info.



Wayne

 

[brods]

https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/techservicesbulletin/BMK15_recommendation.pdf



This is the link to the info.



Wayne

Thanks for the link. I think it raises more questions than it answers.



A good link for anyone considering a bypass system: http://www.fleetguard.com/fleet/pdfs/product_lit/americas_brochures/LT15094.pdf



Of special interest is claim #8.

 

[rbattelle]

I notice Fleetguard is now offering something they call the "Venturi Combo", which is a stacked full-flow and bypass filter that spins onto the existing oil filter adaptor.



I wonder if they'll make one to fit our engines!?



-Ryan

 

[JOblenes]

I am still struggling whether I want to go with a by-pass or oil centrifuge system. An interesting discussion took place a couple of posts up this thread about the feeling the temp of the filter to see if it is working and some discussion on the time required for oil pressure to come up. Does anyone have any comments on the effects of cold temperature. If the oil cools down to say -20F in the filter how long will it take after startup for the oil to flow as normal?

 

[HarryOlson]

Buffalo: I decided to use the plugged hole in the block above the pan (forward on the passenger side) to drain my Motorguard bypass filter. Like you, I didn't have a good way to remove the plug so I drove a small screwdriver into the plug and tried to work it out. What a disaster! Down in the pan it went. I can tell you it is impossible to drop the pan without pulling the engine up. Hours later, after jacking up the engine, dropping the pan a few scant inches and finding a friend with thin arms to reach down into the pan, we found the plug. Cummins has a part that fits into the hole for your drain. Good luck. P. S. Look at this link for a lot of info on oils and bypass systems. Ralph Woods sells Motorguards and is VERY knowledgeable as are most on the Bypass forum. http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php

 

[brods]

I notice Fleetguard is now offering something they call the "Venturi Combo", which is a stacked full-flow and bypass filter that spins onto the existing oil filter adaptor.



I wonder if they'll make one to fit our engines!?



-Ryan

I have sent them an email asking just that. I'll let you know what they say.

 

[amsoilman]

I am still struggling whether I want to go with a by-pass or oil centrifuge system. An interesting discussion took place a couple of posts up this thread about the feeling the temp of the filter to see if it is working and some discussion on the time required for oil pressure to come up. Does anyone have any comments on the effects of cold temperature. If the oil cools down to say -20F in the filter how long will it take after startup for the oil to flow as normal?

ANY by-pass filter system should not effect the flow of oil in the Full Flow (OEM) Filter!





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[rbattelle]

I have sent them an email asking just that. I'll let you know what they say.

So did I. They said no such beast is available for our application.



-Ryan

 

[JOblenes]

ANY by-pass filter system should not effect the flow of oil in the Full Flow (OEM) Filter!





Wayne

amsoilman

Sorry, I re-read my first post and it wasn't quite clear what I meant. What I was intending was a question about how long it would take for the bypass filter to start filtering as normal, if that can be quantified. If the oil in the bypass filter is very cold and hence of very high viscosity would it take a long time for the slug of cold oil that was in the filter on start up to pass through the filter. If the bypass filter is filled with slow moving oil then it would take an even longer time for the bypass filter to come up to temp as the "newer" hot oil can't get into the filter to warm it up. Just wondering if there was any data to confirm or refute speculation. I am wondering if I don't take more than say 1/2 hour drives during winter (in Canada) whether the bypass is really doing anything.

 

[amsoilman]

Sorry, I re-read my first post and it wasn't quite clear what I meant. What I was intending was a question about how long it would take for the bypass filter to start filtering as normal, if that can be quantified. If the oil in the bypass filter is very cold and hence of very high viscosity would it take a long time for the slug of cold oil that was in the filter on start up to pass through the filter. If the bypass filter is filled with slow moving oil then it would take an even longer time for the bypass filter to come up to temp as the "newer" hot oil can't get into the filter to warm it up. Just wondering if there was any data to confirm or refute speculation. I am wondering if I don't take more than say 1/2 hour drives during winter (in Canada) whether the bypass is really doing anything.

I have seen my own oil running back into the engine from the Amsoil by-pass in a very short time... ... ... ... ... ... . less than 20 seconds when it is cold outside.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[JOblenes]

I have seen my own oil running back into the engine from the Amsoil by-pass in a very short time... ... ... ... ... ... . less than 20 seconds when it is cold outside.



Wayne

amsoilman

Thanks, that's the info I was looking for.

 

[NavyDood]

How does one determine if soot is really a problem other than oil analysis? My last oil change was at 7600 miles. I was running Rotella 15w-40 and a Stratapore filter. When I drained the oil it was darker than new, but still had some transparency to it.

 

[amsoilman]

How does one determine if soot is really a problem other than oil analysis? My last oil change was at 7600 miles. I was running Rotella 15w-40 and a Stratapore filter. When I drained the oil it was darker than new, but still had some transparency to it.

There is NO SUBSTITUTE for determining SOOT in USED oil. USE OIL ANALYSIS to determine SOOT levels if you are concerned.

 

[BILLUA]

Wayne, i just installed the new filter tonight. I hated to throw the other one away, but if the soot removal is as good as advertised, I wanted to get the filter on fresh oil... Anywho, next oil analysis will be in 5k when I change out the stratapore...



It will be my first analysis not running Delo.



Thanks again for the help!



Bill

 

[azwiz]

does anyone have an opinion or heard of this bypass filter?

thanks

azwiz

p. s. great site and group