New Edge product question.

[Chad Sheets]

Will this new timing box only advance timing or will it also add more fuel like the VA?

If it only advances timing is it comparable to the VA timing advance, or is more/less? If it also ads fuel, does it ad more or less than the VA?

If you have a ""Power Edge" will this new box wire in with it or is it a seperate wire harness? Can the two be combined into one?

Most importantly, what is the difference in cost between the two?

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[HVAC]

Chad, the EZ adds as much fuel as the computer on the pump will allow. I would say this is the same as the VA. The EZ may contain a bit more timing to generate the superior performance numbers we are seeing. The EZ is cheaper and will work fine with the Power Edge.

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[Archive]

Well lets see where to start.....

Yes it still adds fuel like a VA would. However on each EZ YOU can adjust when the fuel comes in, there are three settings. You take the back cover off and mover the jumper. This can not be done with a VA.

I do not know how similiar the timing curves are between the EZ and VA.

Yes it will work with a PE in place you just have to piggyback the MAP sensor harness is all.

If all you want is the timing they can do that for you as well.

Its $625 to $650 seperatly usually but since you own a PE you'll get a price break, I think it was $450 for a full EZ and then $250 for timing only box, provided you already bought a PE from them. This is the price quote I got from Brett for another member.

Sometime in January they are supposed to release a box that has both the PE and EZ combined in one box, not sure when or how much this will be.

I would call Brett and discussion your concerns/questions, who else better to answer them then the person who designed/built it?


[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 12-26-2000). ]

 

[Chad Sheets]

Well, maybe they can hook me up with some deal when I call about my PE. It bit the bullet one ice cold morning a couple weeks ago and wouldnt allow the truck to get out of its own way. I had to remove it and all associated hardware to get the truck back to normal.

There is a guy over on the product forums who has the same thing going on with his EZ. Something about very cold intake air, and lots of fuel is making a sensor someplace go crazy I think?

It will be interesting to see what the "Edge" has cooking in the kitchen when I call this week.

One more question, if you have a PE and ad an EZ that also ads fuel, will the net outcome of extra fuel be more now? Say I have my PE on lev3, and its putting out x amount of fuel at max governed speed. Will the EZ make it put out even more fuel? Is it like making a regular PE "hot", and an already hot PE "extra hot"?

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by Chad Sheets:
Something about very cold intake air, and lots of fuel is making a sensor someplace go crazy I think.

One more question, if you have a PE and ad an EZ that also ads fuel, will the net outcome of extra fuel be more now? Say I have my PE on lev3, and its putting out x amount of fuel at max governed speed. Will the EZ make it put out even more fuel? Is it like making a regular PE "hot", and an already hot PE "extra hot"?

My PE works fine, and it hasn't really gotten over 15° in a couple weeks now. I turn it off lately for snow/ice drivability but thats it. I also unplugged my EZ for the same reasons. It really makes a difference even on just Level I. I can't go more then 3 days without having it on hehe. It makes the top end of the truck scream... . I love 70mph to 90mph.

I can't really comment on the fuel question yet. I haven't been near a dyno to verify it. yes it will still add fuel but the EZ by itself will make more hp then an EZ combined with other BOMB'ing parts (I think).

Anymore questions? #ad



[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 12-26-2000). ]

 

[K_Arts]

Look at that Kat... you actually make it sound like you know what you are talking about. You know... you fake it very well... LOL

Just toy'n with ya

Kev

 

[HVAC]

Chad, the fueling from the EZ hits hardest at 2000 at which point you will have more fuel then with the PE alone. The PE and the EZ work with different areas of the VP44 to generate the additional fueling. The fueling from the EZ is nearly unnoticable at the peak engine rpm (2700) but you still have around 25/30 horsepower over what the PE would provide. This is due to the timing from the EZ. So the two boxes work differently and at different rpm's although the combination will provide you with more power then running one solo.

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[Chad Sheets]

Hey o' buddy. Ever get those radial slicks? I called Taylor today. He hooked me up, got a new one on the way. He offered to let me try an EZ out, but I knew once I had it in the truck, I would want to keep it, and its too cold outside for me to be living in the dog house. Great people to work with.

Email me, or post here about your propane thoughts. Im feelin a little frisky, and I can justify a propane system for a few nights with the dog easier than a little box.

Did Scotty ever get his set up going?

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1972 340 Cuda'. Original tripple Black, 340 car w/air. Good clean car, super stock springs, Weld Prostars, shaker hood, strong 340 with a 727/4000 stahl, 4. 56... . Bombs away!
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[BRoth]

Fellas. Your information about the VA is not correct. The VA through BD is 650. 00 same as the EZ. The power (fuel) increases in both the EZ and the VA are both the same, timing is different since the PnP/VA is designed for each engine its calibration is more accurate for the specific engine. The EZ puts more fuel in earlier and ends up with more smoke which can reflect less fuel economy. Our testing is accurate and complete on all the units in the field.

EZ is a good product but it isn't any better than the VA.

Brian@bd-power

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by BRoth:
The VA through BD is 650. 00 same as the EZ. The EZ puts more fuel in earlier and ends up with more smoke which can reflect less fuel economy

<font color=blue>If your paying $650 for your EZ thats on the exspensive side, they can be had for generally $600. So hence it is technically cheaper then the VA still. On the fuel, you can manually adjust when the fuel comes in via a jumper with three different settings so you can cut down on the smoke? I am sure the VA works fine and as intended, but the EZ is my choice between the two. Does the new VA have a boost module built into it or are you still required to buy one seperatly? If you factor that in then the EZ is definatly cheaper then a VA? If the new VA includes a boost module then I will edit this and take this line out, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Big Don]

Guys,

I have a question. You mention the jumpers on the EZ. There are three levels. What level is it set at from the factory, The hottest???or the mildest??? I have a VA and 275's on my truck and a friend has an Edge EZ and 275's on his truck, I really don't see any difference in performance. Is his "maxed out" or can he set it to a higher level than the current. Neither of our trucks smoke much at all except during a gear change, they let out a little puff and that's it. I like my old 89 cause I can lay out a stream of the black stuff if the need arises.

later
Don



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[StakeMan]

Mine came set at the hottest level. I would assume they are all set that way.

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[BRoth]

The new VA/PnP has new calibration levels that are not similiar to the older version. But once said lets bear in mind that all the CanBus systems are set to fuel to the maximum that the Bosch controls allow. The only difference is the rate of fuel increase at the lower rpm and the timing.

The VA is designed for engines operating within paramaters that do not over ride any sensors. In other words no boost control is included. BD will be releasing a boost control in the next couple of weeks that will be priced quite reasonable. When do you need a boost control? When you are pouring more fuel into the cylinder than the system can handle with the stock confirgeration. One shold also then consider a larger turbine housing or a different turbo, a performance transmission or clutch. When does one stop once you take the step over the designed operating paramaters.

Don't read me wrong, BD is not scard of developing power. We have all the goodies to accomplish the task.

Talking about prices, the $650. 00 is suggested retail for both the VA/PnP and the EZ. Being the major distributor for the VA BD must support a large distribution system and suggest retail be followed to maintain margin for other business's to operate on. Yah I know this is of no interest to a consumer but it is what keeps every one in business. I'm sure we have many a dealer whom would love to sell anyone a VA/PnP for $600. 00

BD is planning on releasing a combo Canbus/analog system for those that want to BOMB in early 2001.

Brian@bd-power

 

[JAlford]

Originally posted by BRoth:
When do you need a boost control? When you are pouring more fuel into the cylinder than the system can handle with the stock confirgeration. One shold also then consider a larger turbine housing or a different turbo, a performance transmission or clutch. When does one stop once you take the step over the designed operating paramaters.

BRoth:
My '99 has had the wastegate modified (boost elbow from PE-EZ) for a while (1 month) with the only drawback that I can see is lower EGT's and more power. I can reach 24psi fairly easily now, and no check engine light has ever appeared. My EGT's are down much more reasonably than they were stock, as I could easily reach 1250F with my trailer before. Stock I was lucky to see 18psi boost unless 2800RPM or higher, where I had no power. Now I can't get the EGT's above 1050F. I was afraid that on my truck would not survive more fuel with the original setup, so I went with the PE-EZ due to the boost module. I am now waiting on the replacement unit to test with my trailer. Am I to understand that EGT's would not be affected by the PnP/VA without a boost module and wastegate mods?

Originally posted by BRoth:
BD is planning on releasing a combo Canbus/analog system for those that want to BOMB in early 2001.

What is the Canbus/analog system?

Thanks for the info.
Jeff Alford

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[BRoth]

Jeff, With those type of temperature drops I would agree it is well worth it to increase boost. We did not find that with our testing though. We found that with the VA the temperatures did not reach that level so the boost control was not required unless you did have higer exhaust temperatures. Since the power output is the same on the EZ and the VA this must be a affect from the timing difference between them. We do find the EZ puts out 18% more opacity which would also relate to the higher exhaust temperature.

I will have another test run to confirm this.

As far as the combo digital/analog system we are coming out with. One will just have to wait and see.

 

[RobbyRam]

Since I have been 'testing' an 'EZ,' my EGT's have not been too high, however, it does take more idle shut-down time to get to about 300 degrees before shut-off than it did before I was testing the 'EZ' #ad
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Bob

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[JAlford]

BRoth,
Thanks for the info. I received the replacement EZ unit on Friday, just in time for a trailer weekend test. I am also testing a Diablo Power Puck. The EZ unit is the better of the two so far, but more testing to follow. Towing EGT's with the EZ installed went to a max of 1100F under full accel uphill 2500rpm+ in 4th gear (5spd. ). This was only 50F above the stock temps with the boost elbow and K&N filter. I prefer the first setting on the jumpers as the drivetrain vibration was reduced. The EGT's with the Power Puck AND the boost elbow installed were 100-150F higher than the EZ.
I am attempting to get a PnP/VA to compare against the EZ and the Power Puck for towing purposes. If you know of a source, please email me.
Thanks, Jeff

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'99 26ft Gulfstream SeaHawk 5er 8000#'s Goose conversion(Colbert)

[This message has been edited by Jeff Alford (edited 01-01-2001). ]

 

[BRoth]

Jeff,

There are few of the new PnP's in the warehouses at this time. The new unit's can be identified by the smooth outer surface versus the large grooves on the early units.

I to am awaiting the Puck, will be interesting testing.

Piers will be running the fort for next month, I will be traveling the west to various events and dealers. You might want to try to twist his arm for a unit.

Brian@bd-power