"new" engine

[banjoDave]

SO, does anyone know FOR SURE. what the engine will be like in the 2003? High pressure Com. rail or the same as now?

A friend of mine who works for DC on the west coast said to start looking for a LOT of MB engines in Dodge, chys, ply/etc. Both Gas & Diesel.

 

[wcaldwell]

From what I've read on various threads, same subject, it looks like Cummins will be in our trucks for around the next seven years. HOWEVER, for all we know, DC may be considering a 4-cylinder MB diesel in the cars, mini-vans, and Durangos. And why not - these engines last almost forever, perform well, and don't kill the atmosphere any worse than the gassers. JMHO.



Wayne

 

[CharlieMiller]

New Engine

From what I heard Cummins has a contract to supply engines until 2007. Its supposed to have a common fuel rail and have moved some components around to quiet it down alittle, better emissions etc. Check out the following site and it will give more info on the new engine which cummins has had in Europe for sometime.



http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/....cfm?uuid=D51BA827-073E-11D4-985C0004AC33EA57

 

[Diesel Dan]

Edwardsd

I was at the SEMA show in Vegas last week and talked to Dodge/Cummins and they said the following



1 Common rail



2 more power (no specifics)



3 more efficient (again no specifics)



4 Quieter (My neighbor would like that one)



And i have mine paid off HMNNNNN interesting



Hope this helps

DD

 

[mediccummin]

new engines

I read a DC flyer handed to me by my service manager which talked about the new cummins. It mentioned everything stated above and that the engine would be 275hp. And that a Allsion transmission would be and option. He also gave me a flyer on the new Hemi engine that will be an option in the 2500, 3500 ram in the fall 2002.

 

[Pit Bull]

Charlie

Thanks for the article. Its funny but I don't see an improvement, "to me" the truck buyer in this new engine. EGR, maybe it is good for the environment?? Not for my engine!!! Quieter engine, not an improvement, I love the sound of the Cummins engine. Variable turbo, adds complexity to a system, this can contribute to durablity issues. I subscribe to the KISS axiom, you know "keep it simple stupid". Cummins keeps refering to the engine they are using this technology on in Europe and how they have not seen any dependablity problems. Based on their statements it seems like they think they should or will have dependablity problems with these more complex systems, which were only added to meet environmental regulations. They are trying to sell us lemons and tell us we are going to love the lemonade Change is often positive, but based on the reasons I bought my Cummins I don't see anything positive, (maybe the common rail injection) as long as it would still sound like a Cummins. Based on what I love about the Cummins engine they are not improving it. I don't fault Cummins for this, they are forced by government regulations to make these changes, and since they have to make a profit, I understand their marketing hype. I just don't want to drink the lemonade

Denny



PS - any of you engineering types think I am misguided with these views?

 

[CharlieMiller]

Denny,

I have to agree with you on this one. Thats why I decided it was better to get an 2001 or 2002 than wait it out for an 2003. I also don't buy vehicles that come out the first year. I feel like with the "new engine" we are losing more than we are getting. Call me slow to accept change or whatever. You are right Cummins is forced to change because of all the regulations coming down the line. I too love that great CUMMINS SOUND. It is unique and so soothing to my ears. I want a diesel that sounds and acts like a diesel. I could only imagine what the price increases will be for 2003. The price of lemonade had just gone up

 

[DPelletier]

Denny,

I'm leaning towards your way of thinking as well. I am definately not going to trade in my truck on a new one just because of decreased emissions. As far as noise goes, I don't see how you can significantly reduce the noise output without some design compromizes. I wonder how moving everything to the back of the engine is going to affect serviceability. When ever anyone asks me how come my truck is so loud, I tell them that real diesels are supposed to sound like that! I mock the Dmax for catering to people who aren't real diesel truck owners!

The variable turbo thing does sound compicated and expensive. And although 275 hp is nice, it doesn't take much to get that much power (or more) out of our engines now.

I am going to keep my truck for awhile and hope that the "improved" cummins is still head and shoulders above the competition.

 

[banjoDave]

Thanks for the help folks. I think I'll try to get a 2002 & stay with what's been made for a while.

Even if I DO have to goto Texas to get a good price. (so far they're 2-3 K cheaper than anyone here)



Thanks again

Dave.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I know EGR sounds like doom and gloom, but I'm confident it will be defeatable. Don't forget our BOMBing genius in the form of Piers and Lawrence and the Mitchells and so on. Wasn't it possible to install a plate on the California 12-valve EGR engines? If the system can be defeated I'd be game for a quiter, common-rail injection motor. I do love the sound of my Cummins but I wouldn't be against a few dB less of clatter. A lot of the bigrigs you hear do not clatter near as much as our Cummins (those are probably the Cat HEUI jobs) and yet they sound as burly and dieselesque as our trucks do



Vaughn

 

[Speedo]

New engine

When gas engines first started to deal with emissions they had

a lot of teething prolbems, but if you take the motor out of a '62

Corvette and compare it with the motor out of a 2002 Corvette

there is nothing other than nostalgia to make the old motor more

desirable. Diesels don't have as much of a learning curve to go

through because of what was learned on gas engines. A lot of what is going into the next generation engine is technology that is already in use and proven. One of the big problems, emission

wise , with diesels is NOX and EGR can do more to control it than

was ever possible with retarding the timing. The diesel engine

marketplace is highly competitive and if the engine maker can't keep the consumer happy with the way their engines perform

they will go somewhere else. Personally I am looking forward to the new engine.

 

[RAMalama]

Dodge gives us lemons



Cummins gives us lemonade!

 

[C1B1DIESEL]

I read some artical or flier a while back about a ISBe that has the gears at the back of the engine to help quite it down.

 

[Double 6]

I also saw a post or read somewhere about the '03 engines having all the gears in the back of the engine, I'm not crazy about them doing that, easier to service from the front. Even though not a whole lot of troubles are common in that geartrain, just seems smarter to have them up front. If a guy does have any problems with the new setup it will be a expensive fix for increased labor costs after the warranty expires.