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I visited the CMEP in Columbus last week and was given a marvelous tour by HR. What a factory! I was amazed and I am now even more proud to be an owner of this product.



Cummins has the right attitude, the right people and the right facilities. I strongly recommed a visit if you go anywhere near Columbus, Indiana.



I picked up a few "tidbits" while there and later while drinking beer with folks that I will not identify. Among these are:



1) They built and delivered 19,000 engines last month (june).

2) their failure rate is less than {deleted} read: almost non-existant!

3) there are only about 200 people that work at this factory of which almost half are women (many of those were quite cute!)

4) Complete inventory turnover every 40Hrs (they may have said 44 hrs, regardless, it was less than two days).





Changes for '05:



1) No more lift pump. It will be replaced by a in-tank pump.

2) the turbo gets a new oil bath for the bearing housing

3) The TPS (whatever that is) will be removed from the auto-transmission

4) ECM, wiring harness and software

5) quality improvement package on fuel pump

6) production of '05 trucks at Saltillo starts July 19



'05 HP/Torque numbers are being keep TOP SECRET. WOrd is that it will be hard for Ford and Chevy to match.



There is speculation that many of the problems that are occuring with the new FORD I/H emgine is a result of the "power race". (The Ford engine is said to have gone from a estimated overhaul at 250K miles to now at only 175K miles... . of course, this is only a rumour and I admit, this tidbit came from a "car dealer")



On a sad note, I was told that we are probably in the last of the glory days for our engines. EPA emissions standards are becoming so tight that they must eventually ruin our beautiful powerplant as we know it. This may not be in the not too distant future (say '07 or '08 even... . ).



I asked lots of questions and got a lot of feedback at the factory and over some beers later. For example: It is "rumoured" that the current engine easily produces 100 additional Lb-Ft of torque but D-C has Cummins detune the engine for the '04 drivetrain for fear of early wear/fatique/failure, etc - even on the 6speed manual... .



I was told that the #1 way to encrease performance: "get rid of the torque converter". I'm glad I got the 6spd... .



I asked about ... ... ..... {specific aftermarket products deleted for fear of lawyers}... ... ... ... and even asked for speculation about what might result if the "cat fell off". (I was especially curious about the catalytic converter on my 04. 5. It was said to produce very little restriction and that I would gain almost nothing if it "fell off". Regarding, the OEM muffler, it was said that I would gain very little if anything there either. BTW, there are up to four fueling events and none are dependent on or for the benefit of the cat).



I was answered, for the most part, by people who have, as a friend said, " written more books than most people have ever read". (note: These were books on diesel engineering etc. : )



A summary of their answers could be as follows: For the average buyer (read: most people), it is not a good idea to "fool" with these engines as they come from the factory. Most of the stuff I asked about was said to provide little or no practical benefit and was akin to "quackery".



Of course, I do not speak for Cummins. These were informal and unofficial comments in answer to informal and unofficial questions from a somewhat sober CTD owner. They are not to be seen here as in anyway an official Cummins company policy or position. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Void where prohibited. etc, ad nauseum.....



For my part, I certainly claim no expert status nor special knowledge of ANYTHING on God's green earth.



In summary: Please make of point of visiting the Cummins Mid Engine Plant (CMEP) in Columbus, OH if you get anywhere near.



Drive your CTD of whatever vintage with the knowledge that the performance and reliability we love in our engines is designed and built-in (read: not an accident).



And finally, know that Ford and Chevy haven't got a prayer of ever catching the folks at the Big C.





-Takomax
 
Takomax, thanks for an interesting post. I would like to take that tour and probably will after I retire in 2006. In the mean time I plan on watching the 2 Guys Garage tour on the Speed channel, which will be repeated on Wednesday (7/7).



-George
 
They must have moved to Ohio since I worked there... .



Just giving you a hard time! :D



Very interesting post. CMEP is an amazing place and a great place to work. Glad you enjoyed it!
 
OOOPPS!

Duh... What a goof! I meant INDIANA!



At least I didn't say Columbus, Georgia!



Sorry for the geographic confusion!



-Takomax
 
'05 HP/Torque numbers are being keep TOP SECRET. WOrd is that it will be hard for Ford and Chevy to match.



Did they imply that the 05 HP/Torque numbers will be greater than the 04. 5's?



I thought they were going to stay the same.
 
Originally posted by Takomax



On a sad note, I was told that we are probably in the last of the glory days for our engines. EPA emissions standards are becoming so tight that they must eventually ruin our beautiful powerplant as we know it. This may not be in the not too distant future (say '07 or '08 even... . ).



-Takomax



So are we to assume that the 2007 or 2008 will be the last year of diesel engins in Dodge trucks! Only gas engins or electric will be offered! That will truly suck. I am planning on purchasing a new truck in 2007 ... and then that will be it ... no more diesel trucks.



Thats truely on a sad note. Its about time for an armed revolution in this country ... or else we'll be using donkey carts ... and thats if the PETA Nazis don't put up a fuss.
 
Well, let me see...



First - regarding HP/Torque numbers for '05:



The implication was that the HP/Torque numbers would be higher but I was not told anything specific. I do not know if they will increase or not. I definitely believe the part about having to detune the engine by 100 Lb-Ft of torque to preserve the drive train. So, if D-C were to beef up the drive train for '05, then I would expect a hefty increase. One other thing to remember is that Cummins seems to like to make changes at mid-year... .



Second - regarding the effects of EPA regs:



The engine will not dissappear. What I meant is that future engines will probably have EGR and god knows what else added to them in an effort to reduce "particulates".



Ultimately, the engine needs lots of fuel to make lots of power. More burned fuel means more soot etc. It seems to me that the power numbers have to peak soon or even start down; or the engines must get more complex and expensive - for the whole industry. But what do I know?



Also of interest which I forgot to mention in my original post is that the D-C contract is up, if I remember correctly, in 2010. Could it be that the Germans have a notion of replacing Cummins with a German made diesel? Who knows. Maybe D-C just wanted to keep their options open in light of the ever stricter EPA regs.
 
EPA

Sorry for the offtopic post, but:

What I don't understand is how CARB and the EPA have more influence than the trucking industry, auto industry, construction, and agriculture combined? All of these industries depend on diesel power in one way or another. EPA is driving cost up and performance (power,economy,longevity) down. These people couldn't see the 'big picture' if it came around and bit them in the rear end :mad:
 
Re: EPA

Originally posted by Jdonoghue

Sorry for the offtopic post, but:



What I don't understand is how CARB and the EPA have more influence than the trucking industry, auto industry, construction, and agriculture combined? All of these industries depend on diesel power in one way or another. EPA is driving cost up and performance (power,economy,longevity) down. These people couldn't see the 'big picture' if it came around and bit them in the rear end :mad:
That's easy. The oil industry and the environmentalists are far more vocal, and have deeper pockets. We say "Give us more diesels - they're far cleaner than the black-smokers of 25 years ago and get way better fuel economy. " The enviros say "Diesel particulates cause cancer", and the oil industry shrugs and says "It will cost more to make diesel fuel burn cleaner" (which translates to "No sweat, more money for us. ").



Heavy truck manufacturers don't complan because new diesel regs mean building/selling new trucks. The railroads don't care because they use raw diesel, not on-road diesel. Construction and ag industries also use a more "raw" fuel that isn't taxed.



That leaves the truck fleets and O/Os. And all they do is raise their rates to cover their fuel costs. And with no choice, we as consumers have to pay higher prices that cover those rates.
 
wonderin' if they installed those new injectors they have been talking about. I just wonder if the better atomization of fuel from the new type injectors would generate the increase in HP and torque and get better mileage.
 
Cummins has always introduced mid-year changes to meet new emissions regs that take place 1 Jan, not middle of the year.



The B series were always detuned a bit for the dodge drivetrain, tho that isn't as much the case as it used to be. :)



I've not heard anything about a new ECM for '05.
 
Originally posted by Takomax

On a sad note, I was told that we are probably in the last of the glory days for our engines. EPA emissions standards are becoming so tight that they must eventually ruin our beautiful powerplant as we know it. This may not be in the not too distant future (say '07 or '08 even... . ).



Vote me President and I'll sign an executive order within an hour after inauguration that permanently locks in the 1995 standards for diesel engines on all vehicles and equipment. Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool. :D
 
Steven K,



I picked up the bit about the new ECM from a Cummins company newsletter that they gave me. I figured that since it was in the newsletter it wasn't secret.



I did not post some technical data, such as failure rates, because I was given this info during the tour as a result of direct questions from me. I believe that I was answered in a one-on-one sense and that the info was not for general publication. Heck, I anin't sure anyone would have believed it anyway! It is soooooo LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I will say that I spoke to people who do the real engineering on the heart of the engine - read: ECM and Combustion engineeering. I wasn't born yesterday (it was last last week some time) and I can say that these folks know their business.



-Takomax



BTW - I have never worked for Cummins. I do not own stock in Cummins - unless Merril Lynch buys it for me as part of some fund.



I have no relatives or even freinds that work there.



I do have close friends that have friends that do heavy lifting on the slide rule at Cummins...
 
I picked up the bit about the new ECM from a Cummins company newsletter that they gave me. I figured that since it was in the newsletter it wasn't secret.



Not saying you were born yesterday. Seesh.



I work for the company that makes the ECM for these trucks. That said it's hard to track changes because the work starts many years before vehicle launch. Maybe what we consider to be "current production" is what you're thinking is new for '05? There is a long lead between ECM production and vehicle production, mostly for calibration and test. Not sure. The stuff I'm involved in on won't be out in '05.



Cummins does have some really bright people when it comes to engines and combustion theory.
 
......Any MPG info from these folks?

Takomax..... During your discussions with these Cummin's folks, did the subject of poorer MPG ever come up. Surely they would have some inside knowledge on if the 04. 5's are really that much different than the earlier G3's once the breakin's set in.

..... And how about the 05's? Any improvement expected? Or maybe getting worse with possible more HP?

Suspect you heard nothing or you would have passed it on but thought I'd ask as it seems to be a hot topic they could shed some light on!

brohloff...
 
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