New high idle controller

[rstout]

Shortshift: No, you don't need the factory cruise for the High Idler to work. It plugs into the TPS, and is activated by the supplied On/Off switch.

It seems PS could go one step further with this gizmo and make it a combined high idle/cruise contrtol device that works with the TPS. I don't care for the current cruise control set-up. It's to sensative. Hit a small hole which slows you down a statistically insignificant amount on flat ground and you can feel and hear the **** thing getting on the throttle (waste fuel). PLEASE someone make a cruise control that just sets the throttle at whatever and it stays there until disengaged. Whosoever maketh such a device will get a check from me ASAP.

Enough of my ranting.



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2001 ,2500 ST Light Driftwood QC,LB,ETH,6 speed,3. 54 LS, LT265/75R16, TrTGr, Smoothie, Step Sheilds, C. Crane Truck Antenna, Line-X bedliner and rocker panels.

 

[Wiz]

Brad,
Do you know what the high end limit is for setting the idle control. I'd be interested to use one, to set the idle up for use on rough terrain, where you're bouncing all around. It's hard to keep a steady pressure on the pedal, when that happens.

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2001 ordered 12/20/99. Arrived 2/9/00 2500 RC, SLT,4X4,ETH,6-speed,4:10 anti-spin,Camper special,cab clearance lights,GPD trailer tow mirrors,sliding rear window,Snow Plow prep, power seat,Line-X'd OTR bed and quarter panels,DeeZee running boards,INTENSE Blue/ agate.

 

[jponder]

Originally posted by Wiz:
Brad,
Do you know what the high end limit is for setting the idle control. I'd be interested to use one, to set the idle up for use on rough terrain, where you're bouncing all around. It's hard to keep a steady pressure on the pedal, when that happens.

Gordon @ Prictical solutions said it was about 1800 rpm

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2001 ETH/DEE ST 4X4 SPACE SHUTTLE

 

[jponder]

Originally posted by Cocahoe:
Shortshift: No, you don't need the factory cruise for the High Idler to work. It plugs into the TPS, and is activated by the supplied On/Off switch.

It seems PS could go one step further with this gizmo and make it a combined high idle/cruise contrtol device that works with the TPS. I don't care for the current cruise control set-up. It's to sensative. Hit a small hole which slows you down a statistically insignificant amount on flat ground and you can feel and hear the **** thing getting on the throttle (waste fuel). PLEASE someone make a cruise control that just sets the throttle at whatever and it stays there until disengaged. Whosoever maketh such a device will get a check from me ASAP.

Enough of my ranting.

He@l Yes!!!!!!!!!!

 

[David_VT]

You make a good point. I can't really use my cruise control if I have the BOMBing gear engaged. However a 'fixed' throttle might keep things from going nuts... .

Well Practical, what do you think?
First rev: Maybe a way to measure the current TPS value and some fancy electronics to mimic and lock that value when we engage the circuit. Add a feed to the brake switch as a second kill switch (on/off would be primary). Naturally the lawyers would probably want a few more safety features... .

I know at least two persons that would consider such a new gadget as a great thing to have!!

 

[jponder]

Guys I can tell you how much I love my constant throttle cruise. That along with the best mileage I have ever seen. I use a throttle cable and it works great for high idle and also constant throttle cruise the only downside is It doesnt have the safety feature of brake disconnect. I am comfortable with it but I would like to be able to put my teenage son or daughter behind the wheel with it and just dont feel comfortable with that.

I went and bought and Cruise for 99$. It is designed to be used on vehicles that didnt have speed control modules. You just put a magnet on you drive shaft and it reads. Well what would be the effect of putting that magnet on one of our pulleys. The CC would think we were rolling and would let us set our rpms even when we were sitting in the driveway. You would need to disengage the neutral safety thing but you could leave the brake disconnect intact.

To make it a constant throttle cruise you could throw a swith and now just give it a constant speed signal and once you set that baby the conditions would never change so your throttle would never change hey backup you could do that for the high idle setting too!

You need a high idle device that gives you the safety features of reg cruise plus with the added advantage of Constant throttle cruise to get maximum mileage!

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2001 ETH/DEE ST 4X4 SPACE SHUTTLE

 

[jponder]

Originally posted by Cooker:
This controller only works for the 24v right?

I wonder why it won't work on a 12v if it runs off the TPS.

Does anybody know of something like this for the 12v?

I think my above idea might work for any vehicle




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2001 ETH/DEE ST 4X4 SPACE SHUTTLE

 

[Bad340fish]

Could someone maybe build a similiar device with a reostat in it? That way you could have a cruise Knob. I would imagine it would be simple to do. Just figure out the values of the TPS. I imagine you could add a brake switch in fairly easy. My automotive wiring knowledge is good enough to make lights work lol thats about it #ad



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Clark
1999 2500 QC SB 5spd Flowmaster 3 chamber, K&N Re-0880
1968 Barracuda Formula S Viper Blue 11. 98@112

NHRA member for life

 

[HiPerf360]

Bad340fish is so good with automotive wiring that he had wire nuts on his race car for about two years. LOL You were asking for it... #ad


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March 7 Build date.

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[illflem]

jponder,I like your idea for the constant throttle cruise. I even have an extra $99 magnetic sensor CC without a home. Was your idea to use the $99 CC's vacuum servo(does the 24v use one of these,I have a 12er) or just tie into the existing factory servo if it's compatible with the $99 CC's electronics?

It seems like a rheostat supplying voltage to the control pin on the servo would also work,but it would take some wiring and a relay to include the brake safety feature. Would also need a diode to isolate the pcm from this voltage. You would then have a dial in steady rpm and a resume button. Could also use the factory CC if you wanted. Seems pretty cool to me.

I have found I get better mileage using my foot rather than the CC. I was driving into a strong,gusty headwind a couple of days ago. With my foot on the throttle pedal and the CC engaged I could feel the throttle moving with the gusts,not good for fuel economy. Started using just the pedal and my speed remained pretty constant without all the varying the CC causes. Even noticed with using my foot that when strong wind gust came that the boost climbed with it.

I think that if we put our heads together we can come up with a very useful add on.

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95' 25004X4,AT,Driftwood,Banks Stinger,Warn fender flairs and running boards(work truck)
95 3500,5 speed 3:54,BD E-brake,Driftwood,Banks&Psycotty,34,000 GCVW apple and tractor hauler(works harder truck)

[This message has been edited by illflem (edited 02-17-2001). ]

 

[Bad340fish]

Hey man that was low!
But i do think my car was still faster now wasn't it?? Maybe it would have been faster had i removed those high resistance wire nuts going to the balast resistor. Maybe its the year one harness that slowed it down so much?? Hmmmm

Clark

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Clark
1999 2500 QC SB 5spd Flowmaster 3 chamber, K&N Re-0880
1968 Barracuda Formula S Viper Blue 11. 98@112

NHRA member for life

[This message has been edited by Bad340fish (edited 02-18-2001). ]

 

[jponder]

Ifflem>
I bought this cruise and just read the instruction. It was at a pep boys and the instructions list vehicles to 95 only maybe i should bring it back and order the same thing from JC whitneys. There is a vacumn controller with it.

I geuss the best thing would be to just get it working normal off the VSS then set the jumper to a vehicle with no VSS and set the magnet and pickup somewhere on a pulley in the engine. It should try to hold whatever rpm you set it at. Then disconnect the Clutch disconnect and you would have a high idle and a slow speed cruise. You could set it at 1200 rpm put it in 2or 3rd gear 4 wheel low and plug aropund the farm and never lug it. I geuss if you set it at 1200 you 1500 this would give you a regular cruise at highway speeds.

Constant throttle might be achieved by giving the cruise a constant input for VSS and then set the throttle wouldnt it just hold the same throttle if VSS input never changed.


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2001 ETH/DEE ST 4X4 SPACE SHUTTLE

 

[Amianthus]

JPonder,

I was looking in my book the other day and was thinking the exact same thing. Drop me an email if you think we could maybe engineer something to work. I think using the cruise and it's servo is the way to go.

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'99 2500 ISB QC SLT (No Leather!), 4x4, 5sp w/McLeod, 4:10, BD-II, PE, PE-EZ, 4"exh. , Pac-Brake, A-Pillar gauge pod w/boost and pyro, Line-X, V-1, lights, siren, lic. plt. frame says "Diesel Fumes Make Me Horny!", and much more goofy stuff.

 

[jponder]

Amianthus>
You can e-mail me by clicking on the e-mail link, but it may be better to post because then lots more people can jump in with ideas. One day one of the vendors will make one and it will be cool. I would rather have a "throttle management" box than the other boxes or injectors or any of that stuff. You know it would have to be easier to make than these fueling boxes.

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2001 ETH/DEE ST 4X4 SPACE SHUTTLE

 

[Joe G.]

Guys, I'm a little confused about how a CC that senses RPM from a magnet is going to result in constant throttle. If the RPM changes then the CC will compensate by moving the throttle. Definitly NOT a constant throttle. The old fashioned throttle pull cable is the only constant throttle CC that I know of. All the others vary the throttle. ???

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Joe George
Eureka, CA

'95 2500 CC auto 4X4,3. 54,Combo EGT/boost guage,custom switch panel,PacBrake,TST #5,BD valve body,Automatic motorhome steps on both sides,Foldacover hard bed cover,Cummins chrome kit,Black steel grill guard,Front hitch receiver

 

[jponder]

JoeG> Reading off the magnet would be a way to use the CC for high Idle and slow cruise but not constant throttle. MIGHT!!! these are just ideas and may have holes in them.

The Idea about Constant throttle would be to supply the cruise with some constant signal. Like say 50 miles an hour and then set the cruise so it sets the throttle and waites for the signal to change to increas/decrease throttle but the signal never changes because you are supplying it from some external source that has nothing to do with engine , vehicle speed.

The magnet would be used for high idle and slow cruise like just set the throttl at 1300 rpm and it holds that rpm regardless of what gear you are in. I geuss you could have another swith thta would use the VSS for regular cruise but who wants to use regular cruise any way.

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2001 ETH/DEE ST 4X4 SPACE SHUTTLE

 

[Joe G.]

The magnet idea would be a great way to set a high idle to avoid cold engine damage from continuous idle. Running down the road at a constant throttle is a different thing. In that case you want to allow the speed to change in response to things like hills or winds. As far as I can tell, a manual pull throttle cable is the best way to apply a constant throttle. It could be done electronically, but would take some research and testing to get to work. If you had an external source of magnetic pulses that did not change in response to engine or road speed then the magnet input CC would do it.

 

[yogibear]

I just got my Hi Idle control installed today. It works great, turned on it idles about 1150rpm.
I have the adjustable idle control from Diesel Services Group in Saskatoon Canada that I never installed. It is adjustable to what ever rpm you want, might work for a cruise control like some of you are wanting. It cost me 252. 00, will sell for 200. 00 . If I'm out of order here let me know.
Larry.