New Hydrogen generator kit

[EricBu12]

Heres the New Mileage maker kit for my truck. . I will install them this weekend.



My wifes unit is the same but smaller with 6 cells verses my 9 cells. . There is a "Bubbler" on the end that you keep full, a Bulb action battery filler for sucking out the old electrolite in the cells.



I have to ask a few more questions to the people but basically, you mix the Sodium hydroxide and water in an open container, then you let sit for a bit to allow the expansion and heat to settle, then you can store, transport or put in the unit when it gets low.



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The wiring is there is smaller wires for the energizing of the solenoid to allow the 10 gauge wire to power the unit from the battery.



The large hose hooks to the side of the box and it will go to the intake side of the turbo since Diesels don't have vacuum.



I was told by someone I should put a water catch just before it goes into the intake... Like the bleeder bottle from a brake bleeder have a short hose inside and water will fall and HHo will go on to the engine. . There is a Bubbler (water trap), in the system so I don't think I need to do this.



But anyway. . Stay tuned next weekend for install pics and then I will post my findings.



I have about 100 miles on my latest tank and I will hand figure it when I am ready to run the Hydrogen unit. . They say that the Hydrogen unit needs to "season" before full potential is met. . They say several Sessions of use, then non use will get them conditioned.

 

[Cummins Thunder]

Hope it works out for you. I will be anxiously awaiting your results

 

[RGangemi]

I just installed an HHO setup on my truck 4 days ago. I towed my 20' boat up to Tahoe and back and the mileage seems better than before. I will calc it out when I fill up next time but so far so good. I am running one large cell with a variable 0A-30A PWM controller set at around 25A. I like the look of your setup, where did you purchase it from? I peiced mine together from E-Bay, but want to revamp it with more cells for the 5. 9L...

 

[EricBu12]

This is the site for where I got it.

They are about 6 weeks behind in orders... that is what they say to allow

MileageMaker Affordable Portable Onboard Hydrogen Generators for your vehicle.

 

[TMax]

Eric,

I really hope it works for you... please keep us posted! Do you feel like the kit was well built? Are you putting it in the bed of the truck? It looks like that's the only place that box is gonna fit.

 

[EricBu12]

Yeah it will go in the bed. I have a tonneau cover and I will find a way to bolt it to the sides as there is expando foam in the bottom of this.

Drilling a hole big enough for the hose and wires to go through the bed to the frame to route to the engine.

It looks well-built to me. there are rubber grommets in the side of the box for the wires and the bubbler has a cup that is molded into the foam for it to sit in. . good welds and good fit on the lid.

I took the 4 bolt for the lid and JB welded them upwards in the holes so they stay. Then get some wing-nuts for easier opening. when servicing.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Eric, I'm sure you followed all the :-{}#@$%! From your original thread where you posted on buying, and planning the install of that setup. There are, and WILL be some critics who will SWEAR on every Physics and Engineering textbook they ever read, that these systems are nothing but a farce and pure snake oil.



Do as much, and as ACCURATE before/after testing and documentation as possible - it will NOT change the minds of the "don't confuse me with facts, my minds already made up!" guys, but WILL be helpful to the more open minded guys following your setup.



Thanks from those of us willing to learn...



Gary

 

[MJReynolds]

Good luck. I bet if you use a turbonater, put more air in your tires, add new air and fuel filters, and change to synthetic oils you'll soon be getting mileage than those irritating Priuses.

 

[EricBu12]

Gary,



I plan to do Just that. On my wifes car, we just filled up the other day so I will hand calc that before I turn on the gas. . :-laf ... .



The only time I will be pulling the trailer will be Nov. 1st when we go to Wendover, NV for a Bill Engval Concert. . It is 110 miles away so when we get back I will check that mileage.



You know all the electronic tuners and such add power and mileage by still using Diesel. . If this Hydrogen kit makes power and helps the mileage of the the diesel by making a fuel from water, then all the better.



Even if the power from electricity to make the hydrogen robs a little power from the diesel, I think it will make up for it as Hydrogen is much more volatile than diesel. and Burns faster. . I imagine like one of the testors on the site said he got upwards of 40% better mileage on diesel. . that would put my truck at around 28-29 mpg solo and 16 or so towing. Don't know if his was an automatic, tires, etc..... so we will see. .



Right now after 110 miles, my overhead says 18. 8 mpg (Mostly town streets) and I imagine the hand calc. will be around 17. My overhead says around 20 when I cruise on freeway so that is where my 28 Estimate come in.



I will be installing these this weekend and then filling up. I don't drive very much during the week as I am a truck driver. . My wifes car will get more on it in a week. . I will try to get results to you guys as soon as I can.

 

[betterthanstock]

Eric, I have asked other people with this to post results to this little test, but none have.



1. Keep your foot firmly planted against the engine hump, at steady speed, level road. Turn on the hydrogen. Does the truck accelerate at all, 1,2,3 mph? A 20% fuel economy improvement would require about 5 mph with the same foot position on the pedal.



2. on flat road (nearly impossible to find in my area), reset mpg gage and set cruise control with the unit off for 3-5 miles to get a steady reading, then switch unit on and a few seconds later reset the mpg gage and travel a couple more miles at the same cruise control speed. Did the reading go up at all?



The other alternative, if no flat road exists, enter the freeway for one exit and set cruise on, then reset mpg. As you exit, press cancel, but do not turn off cruise.

Go back on the freeway one exit, and just hit resume on cruise control, so you get back to the same speed. Press cancel again.

Now do the loop one more time with the HHO turned on, and again just hit resume on cruise control, so you maintatin the exact same speed, and reset mpg as soon as you are up to cruise speed. Compare the two readings. This should be done with a fully warmed engine, or the second time, as the oil warms up the mileage will always be better, so a perfect time would be after you are returning from somewhere. Also, A/C and lights should be on or off just the same, for accuracy.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I'm not sure exactly what the results would be with the above suggested "tests" - the ECM and PCM monitor accellerator position, engine and drivetrain conditions, and adjust engine power and RPM accordingly - so very well could automatically compensate for the injection of HHO into the system. A good way to verify this, would be to change the settings of an add-on power box, like my Edge Comp as suggested above, on the fly, and see what happens to road speed and engine RPM as a result...

 

[EricBu12]

I'll try a number of different things and monitor my gauges to see if the hydrogen might lower EGT's or whatever. .

I will try that steady speed test. . note the hydrogen takes a little bit to get going full tilt but I should be able to see a difference.

Not too many long flat roads without lights here unless you are on the freeway. I don't think I will do the reset of the MPG meter over and over as I want to monitor that as a difference in normal driving

 

[EricBu12]

OK, Got the kit installed today... . Pretty much straight forward mechanically and wiring.

I located the box in the bed and from Home Depot bought some angle brackets and self tap screws.

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Bought 1" Split Loom which is 5' long. . you need 3 of them. This will hold the hose, and all the wires. Also got some smaller split loom for the wires only.
1" Hole bit in the floor and the tube fit perfectly.

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Route to under the bed, used the frame and where-ever to zip tie it secure

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I plumbed the hose to the metal tube just inside the AFE Filter, next to the Filter Minder. . (sorry, didn't get a pic of it)

the Small wires go up to a switched source so that when it is on, it energizes a solenoid like an old car, to activate the 10 Gauge wires that go to the generators. .

The 10 Gauge wires go Directly to the Battery Terminals to power the Generators

I had a switch for some lights that were unused so I wired the switch to the key on fuse, so now I can turn it off whenever I want to like when setting up to camp or whatever

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I will post this pic again as to show you how to load this machine. .

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See the plastic screw plug next to the hoses? That is very skinny and you will need a skinny funnel. They give you a bulb dropper (6 oz) but that leaks too much over the expando foam which it dissolves.

You need to mix 32oz by weight of Sodium Hydroxide to 1 gal. Distilled Water. . This makes a reaction and gets hot. It needs to cool a bit. (30 min). . Don't get a whif of it either... wheeewwww!. . Also you need rubber gloves as this stuff is like a weak battery acid... . (don't ask me how I found out about this). .

All Cells need 20 liquid ounces to fill and the "bubbler" on the right just gets distilled water filled to the top of the clear tube... . so 20oz. X 9 cells, 180 oz. total

Depending on how you drive, the water will last about 1500-2000 miles then you put like 1-2 oz Sodium Hydroxide to 1 Gallon Water as it uses the water faster than the sodium gets neutralized.

The first 10-12 hours, the plates in the cells need to be "Seasoned" to get the full potential out of it. I think I got a weak solution of the sodium as I had 2 gal. of water and tried to get the mix right. . Might need to add some sodium later. . it is good for now.

 

[EricBu12]

Will do some preliminary testing tomorrow. I am going to an RV Show but will do some running with the hydrogen on. See how it goes.

 

[JKloppe]

I'm curious of the output of your system?

What amperage are you tuning your sells to pull?

What precautions are you making not to get caustic in your intake, it will eat Aluminum?

 

[EricBu12]

The cells are rated to run 2. 4 amps per cell.

There is a "Bubbler" that is gravity done so only the hydrogen goes in the hose that goes to the intake

 

[JKloppe]

Do they have you measuring current? If there is too much caustic in the distilled water it will draw more amperage than the "2. 4 amps" and will foam. Foam is your enemy.

Adding hose length from the cells to your tank will control heat and foam better. Do they have claimed output?



trying to help

Jordan

 

[EricBu12]

they say it will put out about 500 litres per hour

 

[ENafziger]

they say it will put out about 500 litres per hour

Interesting... another guy claims to be using a hydrogen generator on a 3rd gen cummins that produces 4. 5 L/min. Your unit does even better, at over 8L/min. He is claiming 6 mpg increase...

Looking forward to your results!

--Eric

 

[EricBu12]

I might have too much of the Sod. Hydroxide as I am measuring 35 amps total. I am going to let this go and season the plates for maybe 10 hours or so. . that should be a tank worth. There is about 15 feet of hose before it gets to the engine so that should be good.

Just filled up the fuel and bought more as some places are seeing a . 60 cent jump in prices overnight.