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New member to the overloaded club, 53140 lbs!!!

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First 1800 miles tow with 2013 2500 RAM

traction bars

Wow!

This was great!



Brian, F=mewstatic * Normal Force to yank the trailer, then lowers to mewkinetic once it's moving. Except for motorman's initial pull out of the field, the load on the hitch/frame interface was pretty close to advertised limits in raw numbers. Of course, the same can be said with the correct rated load, so it still is probably a tad too much shear in the hitch pin and attachment bolts with the mobile corn bin.



For the overloaded airplane analogy, I'll ride on the plane for the extra runway it takes to get airborne but I'll jump out before you try to land it. Kinda like the same reason a large plane has to dump fuel on a turnaround - the landing gear typically won't like the fuel weight, (or overloaded weight in this case), as you hit the runway at anything over one "g" or two.



As for Dodge's designs compared to bridges, both should be designed for "forseeable misuses. " Any lawyers here, or professional witnesses should know that term. The bridge may not have an SF of 5 like I used to use in military stuff but Dodge engineers certainly have to anticipate the load on the truck at max gcwr/gvwr or whatever to experience an unexpected 2-3g acceleration or deceleration which needs to be harnessed by the truck and still remain in control. So if you are pulling your fiver of 18K, Dodge has probably anticipated you might encounter a short duration 54K event. Hmmmm.....



No flames intended. Not every engineer is blessed with good "engineering judgement" and not every farmer is blessed with an excess of common sense. I work with farmers smart enough to be engineers and live where farming is prevalent. And the next time one of them farmers burns his bluegrass field and fills my house with smoke, I'm gonna drive my red Cummins over to his place and tip over his Versatile! :-laf





Rick - BS, MS, and sometimes FOS :)
 
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Rick,

I don't think a 54K pull or hotshotters grossing 36K fits the 'foreseeable misuse' category very well.



I'm inclined to say that the military and farmers have something in common - "the get it done with what you got" attitude. In the military that's fine and designers use a FS of 5 to account for the pimple faced 18YO beating the crap out of Uncle Sam's equipment. I doubt the Big Three are using a FS of 5 to account for the farmers... ...



After 3 years I stand by my statements and position.



Brian
 
Had a good friend hit a deer on his way back from the SEMA Show in Las Vegas. He called me up at 3:00am Sunday morning asking what to do and after about 30 minutes of deliberation, I offered to go pick him up.



I get my truck (7,500Lbs), and trailer (a 54' hydraulic dovetail flatbed, 7,500Lbs empty), and head to pick him up.



Now, he has a truck just like mine, but 500Lbs heavier, plus he has a 3,000Lb low-boy double axle goosneck trailer i ntow with the infamous Diesel Innovations "Snow White", weighing in at 6,500Lbs.



I pulled him from Ozona, Tx (on I-10) to Houston, Tx. we were on the road from Noon untill 8pm. (I had been on the road since 5:30am. )



Overall the truck faired well. We felt pretty heavy. I had to ride the clutch out a bit to take off in 1st gear to keep from stalling. I think the lowest gear we went down to was 2,000RPM in 4th on some of the hills, otherwise we had no problem doing 70MPH on mild hills and flatland. We ran just a little bit slower than houston traffic to give us ample room to stop, and a margin of safety.





Merrick
 
Friend?

This guy calls you at 3 a. m. on a Sunday morning wanting to know what to do about a deer he ran over and he's still your friend? What a guy!
 
Since stoping seems to be one of the big issues in hauling over weight, maybe the manufacturers need to have a stoping guide with their towing guide ;)



RustyJC, just curious, but your post of 11-05-01 said you traded off a perfectly good "96-3500" for an "02" because the "02" was factory rated to tow more. From an engineering standpoint, I think they are identical. All the towing components of both trucks will interchange. I still think the factorys tow rating is based on the competition, more than any major design change.



PS, "gotta keep this thread alive, don'tcha know" :)





"NICK"
 
NIsaacs said:
RustyJC, just curious, but your post of 11-05-01 said you traded off a perfectly good "96-3500" for an "02" because the "02" was factory rated to tow more. From an engineering standpoint, I think they are identical. All the towing components of both trucks will interchange.

How do you figure?



1996 3500

215/85R-16D tires

V10 engine

47RE automatic transmission

3. 54 rear axle

Rear drum brakes



2002 3500

235/85R-16E tires

Cummins HO engine

NV-5600 6-speed manual transmission

4. 10 rear axle

Rear disc brakes



Quite far from being identical!



Rusty
 
Just don't have some Yo-Yo hit you

Or Heavan;s forbid hit somebody else - having something fall off, break or whatever-this would probably be a "Write the Check" sort of lawsuit.
 
Rusty, sorry about the misunderstanding with your "96", I figured it was Cummins powered also.



However in "96" the V-10 powered 3500 w/auto, any ratio D-70 was rated to tow 19,000 GCW. Yet the Cummins powered 3500 w/standard trans. D-80 was rated to tow 18,000 GCW w/4. 10 gears, the 3. 54 was 16,000 lbs GCW.



Can you explain all that retarded factory thinking :confused: HELP!!!! :{





"THANKS, NICK"
 
i agree with the "brakes" factor being the real problem. i pulled a school bus years ago with an old 1948 international L110 pickup ( i think that was the model). it had the silver diamond 6 with a 3 spd column shift. getting it going was not a problem. STOPPING was, especially since i was pulling with a chain. fortunately we thought about that ahead of time and had another mechanic inside operating the brakes. we had no problem getting it back to the school - about 3 miles.



by the way, no, i am not that old, but in 1974 that was the only maintainence truck the school had.



jim
 
Might as well chime in on this one.



12 pallets of ceramic tile going from a showroom to a storage wharehouse about 5 miles away.



12 pallets between 2,800 and 3,000 lbs

Truck and trailer are around 16,500

Somewhere between 50,100 lbs and 52,500 GCW



Watching a 3500 CTD haul 52,000 lbs is great!

Watching the idiot who did it (me) replace all his wheel seals the next day - Priceless!!
 
I once helped a FAT LADY with a flat tire, the tire wasn't the problem but she almost needed the use of some GIANT shoe horns to get her FAT A** in the truck door, it had to be a close OVERLOAD on the front-end. :eek:
 
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