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Hi tdr members i am a new member have a question on trailers. I have 99 1 ton dooly 24 valve, auto and 4:10 gears totaly stock i am looking at buying a 48' 5th wheel trailer with GVW of 18000 lbs will the truck handle it or do i need to up grade the trans ?????? i don't want to up grade the engine.



Thanks Rick
 
My last truck was exactly your configuration. And I can assure you that pullling 18000 lb. will be fine, unless of course you plan to encounter any speed bumps.



I am going entirely from memory on this which is guaranteed to introduce some error, but one of the tests I remember for the torque converter is to go WOT with the brake on and check RPM. The warning was DON'T DO THIS FOR MORE THAN 10 SECONDS. Or was it 5? It was a test for max RPM.



The important thing is the warning. When you hook that 18000 lb anchor to your truck don't expect to floor it to get it rolling up a hill and not overheat the transmission. Taking it easy. Moving it across town should be no problem, but up a hill without lockup could get things a little toasty.
 
Welcome aboard! You'll find alot of great info here.

One thing to keep in mind, is overloading. I have a 2001 w/the same drivetrain and "the book" says max trailer weight is around 12k. The truck can handle more. Whatever you do, watch your egt's and trans temp. HTH
 
If you don't mind crawling up a 6% grade going about 20 mph you'll be fine :eek:. IMO, you should through some Amsoil in that transmission and get your self an EGT and transmission temp gauge so you can keep an eye on things.
 
Upgrade

I would also up grade the transmission with a Valve body and Torque converter. I only pull 11K and will do the upgrade next. Read some other post in "towing and hauling" section.
 
Hello Rick. Welcome to the TDR! :) What all the guys are saying is worth listening to. Guages will enable you to monitor EGT and transmission temps. The torque converter and valve body are the weak link in the drive train of this outstanding truck. There are many out there to select from. Most rave about Diesel Transmission Technology's TC and VB. Bill Kondolay produces a fine product and has a support and installation network across the land. DTT TC/VB are on my upgrade list! Hard part is getting started. :D :D Good Luck and Welcome!
 
Did anybody think to mention that you will be 150% over weight? There ain't no way in hell your going to stop that rig if something simple like the electrical plug falls out of the trailer connector. I am amazed at the rigs I see towing more weight then THERE TRUCK IS DESIGNED TO. Sure our cummins can pull weight, but what about the truck? My friends first generation broke the frame in front of the trailer hitch, including ripping the bed floor apart pulling an average size case tractor. (less then 18K, but he was over weight)



Sure it looks worse when you see a mini van with the rear end draging on the ground towing 6000 lbs, but its just as unsafe.



I don't want to have to stop my personal rig at the scales everytime I pass one, but with the stuff I see on the road the last couple years, its going to happen.



And I feel the answer is not to buy more weight on the tags, there is a design limit here, not a tag limit.



You need a Cummins, but one installed in a Kenworth to tow 18,000 lbs.



rant mode off.
 
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IMO, its not so much what the truck can pull or what amount of weight it’s rated for, but the quality of brakes and breaking system on the trailer. If you look on our trucks there is no trailer weight limit. There is however a GVWR (Gross vehicle weight rating). My truck GVWR is 4990. With a class "C" license I believe our trailer limit is 15,000 lbs as per California law. I believe it is the responsibility of the driver to make sure he or she can stop their vehicle in time to avoid a collision. Unfortunately there's a lot of people out there that has no clue as to how much weight there pulling and how well they can stop there rig before it's to late. Here's a quote from the CHP.



" Towing and Camping Notes

Per Officer Mays at CHP commercial office in San Jose (408-

8483078):

Any Class C Driver (CVC12804. 9b3H) not for compensation can drive

any legal combination (not permit loads) of rigs as long as it is

no longer 75 feet including extremities (cVC35401b). 65 feet

is the limit if any one element is over 28 feet 6 inches long.

Maximum width is 102 inches or 108 inches with a compressed load

like tires.

The towing vehicle cannot be a passenger vehicle as defined in

CVC465 (including a motorhome) and must weigh at least 4000 pounds

empty. A pickup qualifies, even with a non-permanent camper

attached .

No single element can weigh more than 10,000 Pounds or 15,000

pounds with RV license endorsement (test), maximum rig weight is

26,000 pounds.

Any element over 3000 pounds requires brakes; 1500 pounds for

trailer coaches and camp trailers. (CVC242,635) Note definition of

a traller CVC630 and a utility trailer CVC666; those ARE NOT camp

trailers nor trailer coaches. Trailers are measured from the tip

of the hitch to the rearmost part of the body as described for camp

trailers in CVC242. 2 red lights and a red or fluorescent oranqe

12 inch square flag must bc used on any load that overhangs 4 feet

or more from the rear. All clearance lights within 24 Inches of

the rear of the trailer must be red. On boat trailers (sinqle boat,

designed for launchinq) only one set of side clearance lights are

reguired: amber forward-red rear combo liqht at maximum width

point.

No law prohibits riders in a trailer (as defined in CVC630) nor are

seatbelts required. They must have instant communication with the

driver (CVC23129) and an unlocked exit (CVC28080).

AB3518 Greywater systems for single family residences Act of 1992

specfically allows discharge of shower, lavatory, and hand dish

washing water onto the ground for irrigation as lonq as discharge

is at least 2 feet ftom buildinqs, 5 feet from water lines and 50

feet from lakes or Streams, l00 feet from wells. Kitchen sink water

is not allowed although the intent is to specifically not discharge

grease and food matter which whould attract flies and cause odors.

where children can contact the araa, shower water is not allowed.

Discharge must be on your property or campsite. No permits are

required. Discharge onto envlronmentally sensitive areas may

be prohibited by local ordinance. "
 
Well I guess the responses before mine spell it out pretty good. I tow over the rated capacity for my dualie also, but not as much as you will be. Read my tag. I have put over 100,000 miles towing overweight (recommended towing weight by dodge) and have had only one close call braking. I have spent over 7g bombing this truck to get it to pull up that 6% grade without a problem. Get lotsa gauges first so you have some baseline to work off of. Auto trans is the largest weak point and towing 18,000lbs you're gonna loose your TC pretty quickly. Good Luck.
 
Gotta go with TowPro on this one... even though I've been guilty plenty of times! The power of the engine isnt really the issue here; and in all fairness, the truck is more than capable of handling your load. STOPPING is THE problem. Dodge brakes suck, (I wont get a single argument over that statement), and to help out an exhaust brake is the piece of equipment you want... unfortunately, they dont work with automatics! If I was dictator, I would out-law dually/automatics... why? Because duallys are made to haul heavy loads, and it CANNOT be done safely without a stickshift and an exhaust brake. Off soap box.
 
Trailer ????

Thanks for all the info. What i got now is a 30' class C-motorhome with v10 pulling a 24' 7000lb inclosed trailer filled with atvs, i am looking at a pace 5th wheel trailer the bigfoot with living quarters to replace the motorhome and trailer. with hauling atvs i don't think i will be overloaded.
 
48' 5ver, wow!

Glad to see I'm not the only one concerned with stopping.



RickM, considering the CGVW for the automatics has been right around 16000 lbs, you'll be overloaded per Dodge. PLUS, with a 48' 5ver and a Quad Cab/Long bed you are going to be very close if not over the legal length for Wisconsin (65'truck and trailer or 60' if pulling doubles). Just thought I might add my two cents. Going to be over in your neck of the woods next week.
 
It sounds like CA has a lot of strange requirements/restrictions pertaining to towing and license. Since you are in WI you should find out what your state laws are. There are several threads in the Towing forum about license and weight requirements and auto transmission towing.



To summarize the license requirement, the national requirement for a class C commercial license is total weight (GCVW) must be > 26,000 pounds or towing for hire. All states have to honor the license requirement of the state you are licensed in. Texas, for example, totals the GVW of the truck and the GVW of the trailer based on the license plate. If the total exceeds 26,000 pounds, you have to have a commercial license even if not for hire. Mine is 8800 + 16000 = 24,400. States with more restrictions, such as CA have to honor my license as per the National Transportation laws.
 
Re: Trailer ????

Not to beat a dead horse here, but is this by any chance a Ford Superduty motorhome? (I forget my C's from my A's and B's)

My dad has the same one, and its only ratted to tow 3500 lbs!



If you look in front of the hitch, where the frame has been extended, you will see why Dad decided not to take the chance on going over 3500. Instead of using his van as a Toad, he bought a new S10 to tow behind his motorhome.



Originally posted by RickM

Thanks for all the info. What i got now is a 30' class C-motorhome with v10 pulling a 24' 7000lb inclosed trailer filled with atvs, i am looking at a pace 5th wheel trailer the bigfoot with living quarters to replace the motorhome and trailer. with hauling atvs i don't think i will be overloaded.
 
My motorhome E450 has 5000lbs trailer hitch came from the dealer that way. The trailer has 7000gvw but when it is loaded it's weight is a little over 5000lbs. I haven,t had any prob.



Also THANKS TDR members for all the info i have to think more about a 5th wheel trailer. :)
 
Whaaaat?!

You said a 48 foot 5 er? Geeeez, I've really been out of it, 'cause that sounds extra loooong.



With all the discussion above, are you SURE you need all that length?



Question: Can you take a rig that long to any campgrounds?
 
Re: Whaaaat?!

Originally posted by Davison

You said a 48 foot 5 er? Geeeez, I've really been out of it, 'cause that sounds extra loooong.



With all the discussion above, are you SURE you need all that length?



Question: Can you take a rig that long to any campgrounds?



Good Question? my son asked the same question last night . looks like 48' is bad idea. ill try looking at a 36'.
 
Rick,

I tow a heavy trailer (see sig. ). I towed it from Houston to Jacksonville, Fl and back to Austin when I was totally stock. I decided then that I didn't want to do it again. My GVWR is also 18,000 lbs. and I can tell you it is too much for a stock truck. That is the reason for my bombing upgrades but that does become expensive. If you have your heart set on that trailer and can afford the mods to your truck, I say go for it. Besides, the mods to your truck make it a lot more fun to drive when you are empty. :D

Phil
 
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