new power strokes

[brandonwhite]

I was just reading an article on the new power strokes and they have 325 horses straight from the factory. I doubt I have that with my EZ and 275's. I love my dodge but seems like they are getting one up on us now.

 

[Cummins4Life]

Then its time for a comp and some DD3's.

 

[brandonwhite]

I hear you on that, but just looking at HP numbers they have almost 100 more than my truck does stock. Seems like dodge should do something to catch up. DD3's and Comp = $1000+

 

[KatDiesel]

The new Dodge HO are 305 hp.

 

[LSMITH]

I drove a new HO, and if it is 300 HP I must have 500 . I am right at 350 RWHP and could pull an injector (maybe two) and still run cirlces around an '03 HO. I am looking for an 03 PSD to drive to see how badly they inflate the HP numbers, an educated guess tells me it is just as bad in the ford camp.



All kidding aside a Duramax will eat the new 03 Cummins alive, not even close from what I felt driving them both. Last PSD I drove was the 275HP/6 speed ZF combo and it would have trashed a stock 01 HO Cummins too. Put 10K pounds on them and see you say? Well, find a dealer that will let me I say. Stock to stock with empty trucks the Dmax is king of power.

 

[WDaniels]

But doesn't ease of maintenance and durability count for something???

WD

 

[Whitmore]

Here is my take on it

The Cummins is about 40% de-tuned as they sit, I am talking about for what these motors were originally designed for, When Cummins first introduced the 5. 9 into the market they were not designed for a pickup truck, I am sure that when D/C first called Cummins and said they want the 5. 9 in the Ram that Cummins prolly laughed their asterisk off.

We have almost 2 times the bearing surface that the Powder poke or the maxi-pad have, we can re-tune our motors and STILL be within design of the so called competition. If they bomb their trucks they are pushing the threshold of design.



BOMB ON BUDDIE... ... ... ... ..... cheers, Kevin

 

[LSMITH]

Changing filters and oil is just as easy on them. Durability past 150K miles is a moot point for nearly all of us, we just don't keep them that long. Both the Dmax and the PSD will last well past 200K if maintained, so where is the gain?



Don't get me wrong, I love the Cummins and it's potential, but a lot of guys here think we have the market cornered on power and durability, That just is not so when we take reality into account.

 

[Ray Torresdal]

New PSD

Talking to a friend who has been into the PSD engines for a long time a while back. The word he got from his people on the inside was that the new engine is approaching it's limit - durability will suffer big time if you push it like the older engines! He went out and bought a 7. 3, and put it in the garage for when his current ride wears out! I'm sure there is more that can be wrung out of the new engine, but some of us will put more than 100,000 miles on a truck! I'm over 100,000 in 2 1/2 years, and have no plans to trade at this point.



Ray

 

[Champane Flight]

New fangeled.....

They can keep those new fangeled electronic thingamagigs, with all the egr computers, varible turbo controls, electronic fuel control, and nine miles of wire. I will stay with the old 12 valve. After all whos worrying? Isn't Joe still running 600hp on diesel? I will worry when they make that stock.

 

[nickleinonen]

Originally posted by brandonwhite

I was just reading an article on the new power strokes and they have 325 horses straight from the factory. I doubt I have that with my EZ and 275's. I love my dodge but seems like they are getting one up on us now.

a little bit more power and torque the new psd g2 has, but it is a little higher in the rpm band also isn't it?



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[otis]

For me it's the bottom end grunt not the top end screamers.

 

[DavidC]

I must be getting old. I bought the Cummins for longevity and pulling power not for going 120mph. I drive a 92 12 valve at work for a very large aggregate company in AZ. the only Dodge in the company and I do not know how it got there. I do know it was bought new. The rest of the fleet is power strokes and Kenworths (Mixers). The Dodge has never been in the shop for engine work and the Power strokes are waiting in line. From what I understand mostly injector and clutch problems. The mechanics told me that they have not had a power stroke last more than 250,000 miles and they are very aggressive on fluid changes. If these things cannot hold up with this company I definitely do not want one. I do not have the kind of money that this place throws into these things. Lets wait and see how well the new engines hold up (powerstrokes and cummins) before we worry about power. The company I work for was bought out by another and supposedly deals with GM. Maybe we will get some DMAX's to evaluate next. I personally was not impressed with the powerstroke.

 

[LSMITH]

Re: Re: new power strokes

Originally posted by nickleinonen

a little bit more power and torque the new psd g2 has, but it is a little higher in the rpm band also isn't it?

Well, looking at it I see that it is not a lot different than ours. Peak torque at somewhere around 1800-2000, ours is at 1700-1800. Peak HP at somewhere around 2800-3000, ours is at 2700. Not enough difference to talk about really, just slightly higher. It carries basically all of its torque for about 1200 rpm too, that is darn decent and maybe even a little longer than ours. I think the third gen is at least that wide though. It is one complicated sucker, but Navistar has an unbelievable amount of the 444 and 466s out there, clicking right along. I have to give them a little credit for that.

 

[Cowboy Medic]

My personal experience comes from EMS, out of the twenty or so different ambulances I have driven they have all been powerstrokes, most have been the type III vans which in ambulance speak is the van cab with the large mod box, and the rest have been the standard van with the raised roof (type I) Our average life is right at about a 100,000 miles, of course we run them very hard, lots of jump in fire up and nail it type driving. Unfortunately they are down alot. Out of the last seven rigs we have bought none have gotten past 20,000 miles without going in for some kind of engine repair. For get up and go they do very well, you feel good moving on a city street, get them on the highway and they feel like they are gutless, we are trying to respond to heart attack calls that are 45 miles away (western South Dakota) and you get on interstate and can barely hold her at 75-80 hit a hill or run into a head wind 65 is not uncommon, I can do this with a 33 foot avion behind me in my dodge (I don't as a rule, but tried it a few times just cause it felt so awesome having that power available). My truck was the second of three dodges my family has owned the 92 had 175,000 miles on it when we sold it with nothing but regular maintenance, the guy that bought it says he hasn't done anything special either and he just rolled it over 300,000. My 99 is about to go over 90,000 with only a warranty replaced lift pump and a cracked manifold. My brothers 2001 has 35,000 with absolutely nothing wrong. Now don't get me wrong I am not for or against either motor as far as telling you what is better, I would love to get the opportunity to run an ambulance powered by a dodge, but in order to do so we would have to run a type II (pickup with mod box) and they just aren't real common in this industry, although you are starting to see more than you used to. I personally would think the cummins would have problems in the kind of work environment I am talking about but I am convinced that it would take the abuse better than the powerstroke does, might not have quite the same jump in town but it would be so much better to be able to hold an emergent speed when you are on the interstate, it is very sad when you are trying to run lights and sirens transporting a guy who needs surgery and the family is going past you to the hospital because you aren't even keeping to the max speed limit. Anyway, those are my observatins and feelings, I think a guy who wants to drive his truck like a regular gasser is best served by the powerstroke, for me I drive mine like a semi truck and the cummins keeps me

 

[Desperado]

I say put all three of them side by side with the same weight at about 16000# would be a good start, pulling the same 7 - 8 % grade for 8 miles with the same driver, driving the same way in each rig and see witch one reaches the top first. It still comes down to personal preference, I'll stay with my RAM.

 

[nickleinonen]

Originally posted by MrBlue359

I say put all three of them side by side with the same weight at about 16000# would be a good start, pulling the same 7 - 8 % grade for 8 miles with the same driver, driving the same way in each rig and see witch one reaches the top first. It still comes down to personal preference, I'll stay with my RAM.

put them all in 6th gear, foot to the floor from a 60kph rolling start, and only back off the throttle if you get to 100kph... interesting test...

 

[Koa Man]

Originally posted by LSMITH





All kidding aside a Duramax will eat the new 03 Cummins alive, not even close from what I felt driving them both. Last PSD I drove was the 275HP/6 speed ZF combo and it would have trashed a stock 01 HO Cummins too. Put 10K pounds on them and see you say? Well, find a dealer that will let me I say. Stock to stock with empty trucks the Dmax is king of power.

There's been a DMax and PSD or two that thought they would blow my poor old almost stock Dodge away. Reality check came quickly. But I do agree with your last statement.

 

[dpetre]

All I wanted was a good diesel truck that can haul a 12000 pound trailer over the tops of the Alaska mountains at a good safe speed and give me good fuel economy. My Dodge with the Cummins diesel is providing that service. So far it is the best truck that I have ever owned but I still think that it could be better. Some of the things Dodge needs to fix are its auto trans, lift pumps, and makes a full size four door pickup. As far as winning races with stock trucks up the horse power to 325 with a new auto trans and 350 for the HO. I would also like 26 Miles per gallon. If I had to rate the trucks... 6 speed Dodge, Durmax,Ford Auto Durmax,Ford,Dodge

 

[Amianthus]

Re: New PSD

Originally posted by Ray Torresdal

... I'm over 100,000 in 2 1/2 years, and have no plans to trade at this point.

You'll have a hard time making 200,000 miles with they way some of your 'hunyuks' drive.