New Product: LINE-X Xtra

[MABurns]

OK since now we are talking about something I know about I can cry foul on some misinformation. I am keenly aware of the benefits of body armor. I have been in the army for 18 years and wore body armor much like the one picture last year while I was in Iraq.



The Small Arms Protective Insert (SAPI) plate that Rumsfield was presented is made of layered boron carbide ceramic which has a spretra coating. Spectra (Dyneema) is a Ultra high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) fiber. Not titanium.



To imply that the Line-X liner used in pick up beds stops bullets and saves lives is misinformation. It is intended to Coat the SAPI plate and protect it from the elements. It serves a very important purpose but has very little to do with stoping 7. 62 mm rounds.

 

[MABurns]

Again, this was never intend to be (or turn into) a flame session about the product. I think it is a very good one. I just do not believe all the marketing ploys.



And oh by the way there are more than 500,000 sets of body armor not 50,000. I wouldn't want to under-inflate the value of it!



No big deal.

 

[ChrisTucker]

DFriedson,

all the info I posted was correct as we were told by the salesman. We spent about 2 hrs on the phone in a 3 way conversation with Linex. we had the package they sent and were going over it with them . None of the equiptment was included for the $85k. It was about $4500 extra. And the compressor was not included, but available. When I wrote this, I had just got off the phone with the friend who was going partners w/ me and he was reading me all the info that he wrote down during the conversation w/ linex. He still has the package. Maybe there is a regional difference in price. Maybe the salesman was yankin' us, I dont know. He also told us that the chemical was melted inside the gun. And most shops dont have 3 phase power which we were told was an option(which is what his shop has), that is the electrical statement I made. I can only tell you guys what I was told. And you are right about me not being familiar with the product, after looking at the numbers, we decided not to do it and then went I out and bought 2 CTD's, one for work and one for play:-laf

 

[DFriedson]

The plates: I was told titanim and ceramic. It's 50,000 not 500,000. Here's a cut and paste of the article: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135046



ChrisTucker: All I can tell you is that you were misinformed badly. I have no reason to tell you otherwise. A franchised dealer MUST pay the franchise fee and MUST buy the equipment package, which contains everything you need, including the air compressor. The part that really gets me is the "melting" of the product. That makes no sense at all. Both chemicals are liquid. Low pressure pumps move the liquid chemicals to the proportioner machine. The machine pumps the liquids through a heated hose at high pressure to the spray gun. The two chemicals actually spin in the air together a fraction of an inch outside the spray gun. The chemicals never make contact until they are right outside the spray gun. Like I said, there is no melting. The heating hose heats up the resin to give a longer working time (because it contains polyurea). But, "longer" actually means only 4 seconds, that's how long LINE-X takes to dry.



Three phase power is not required. But, if you have it (as I do) it's actually less expensive. You can also opt for a larger air compressor instead of the one that comes with the package (as I did).



The dollar amounts you mention do not jive with what I paid or any of the other LINE-X dealers that I know, and I know quite a few.



Oh well... ... ... ...

 

[Ol'TrailDog]

Gee... . all I know is I'm plumb happy with the $250 I spent to X-line my flatbed deck and rear. Been a good product for my needs.

 

[Tony T.]

DFriedson

I have a couple questions or three. Will the Line-x stick to ABS plastic, such as a two-man Buster boat like I have. If your familiar with this style of boat it has sorta pontoon type bottom. I was wondering about having a 5 or 6 inch wide strip done across the center of each pontoon for added protection against gouges and scratches. Also the weight factor of the Line-x was a concern if the inside floor bottom was sprayed, boat weights around 150lbs dry. Is Line-x slick,or slippery when wet.



Also on doing Line-x to a truck bottom half, have you done any in white and if so your opinion on the look of it or is it going to really be hard to keep clean. Maybe a two-tone would be better. Comments



Thanks



Tony

 

[DFriedson]

The bedliner product (XS-100) will stick to metal (except chrome), wood, plastic, and fiberglass. There can be occasions where a primer (which LINE-X dealers have) may be necessary. To answer your question, yes, it will stick to your boat. LINE-X weighs . 7 pounds per square foot at 1/8" thickness. That would be the minimum thickness I would recommend for your purpose. Most things that become wet are going to be more slippery. When wet, LINE-X is not as slippery as the 100% polyurethane brand bedliners. I suggest you visit a dealer and let them wet down a large sample for you so that you can try before you buy. I never suggest white anywhere. It really looks good when new, but it shows EVERY speck of dirt. Your better off using another color. If you get a color, make sure your dealer uses Dupont Nason so that the color will not fade. If you wait until about November, you will be able to get LINE-X Xtra in colors. Nason is good, Xtra is better. Here are some scanned pics, they're not so good. But, we color matched a Suburban color that the customer wanted.



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Here's a boat, before and after pic. We sprayed a gun metal gray for the interior with a black rim accent. Nason was used for no fading.

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Here's a white bedliner, but again, I don't suggest it.

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[Tony T.]

The bedliner product (XS-100) will stick to metal (except chrome), wood, plastic, and fiberglass. There can be occasions where a primer (which LINE-X dealers have) may be necessary. To answer your question, yes, it will stick to your boat. LINE-X weighs . 7 pounds per square foot at 1/8" thickness. That would be the minimum thickness I would recommend for your purpose. Most things that become wet are going to be more slippery. When wet, LINE-X is not as slippery as the 100% polyurethane brand bedliners. I suggest you visit a dealer and let them wet down a large sample for you so that you can try before you buy. I never suggest white anywhere. It really looks good when new, but it shows EVERY speck of dirt. Your better off using another color. If you get a color, make sure your dealer uses Dupont Nason so that the color will not fade. If you wait until about November, you will be able to get LINE-X Xtra in colors. Nason is good, Xtra is better. Here are some scanned pics, they're not so good. But, we color matched a Suburban color that the customer wanted.



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Here's a boat, before and after pic. We sprayed a gun metal gray for the interior with a black rim accent. Nason was used for no fading.

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Here's a white bedliner, but again, I don't suggest it.

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Thanks for the information.



Tony

 

[BDR]

I was going to have my front end Line-Xed. The grille, top/bottom bumper covers, and the bumper. But I was told by the local Line-X dealer it would not stick to plastic and not to do it. They said "Plastic does not like to stick to plastic"

 

[DFriedson]

Well, it will work. The problem is that this particular dealer does not know how to properly prepare the material for spraying.



Occasionally, we use an etching primer for metal and a LINE-X primer (called XPM, available to all LINE-X dealers) that works with just about everything.

 

[BDR]

I'll check again and see what they say, but I'm going to try a different dealer. Thanks for the info.

 

[RailroadJim]

Where to get in S. Texas?

I want one, or it, whatever... where do i find it in the Galveston-Houston area of Texas? is there a link for a dealer search? anybody?

 

[Spooled-up]

This should work... .





http://www.line-xdealers.com/dealer.php

 

[RailroadJim]

Thanks for the link, as soon as my new W250 gets out of paint I'll be calling them.

 

[jwgary]

Warranty?

What is actually covered in the lifetime warranty on the regular Line-X product? I got mine sprayed around Oct. 2000, and I have the usual nicks, scratches and cuts from sliding toolboxes and other stuff around in it... especially at that little lip at the very bottom of the tailgate that sticks up higher than the rest of the bed. Does the warranty cover any of that kind of stuff? Also, where is your shop? I got mine done at the one that was in Hurst near Pipeline and 820 If I remember correctly. Now that I know there is a TDR member who has a franchise, I will bring my business to you if I ever get a new truck.

 

[DFriedson]

You can read the actual warranty from the first page of www.goline-x.com website.



Yes, the warranty will cover "that stuff".



My shop is located on the west side of Fort Worth: 8155 Camp Bowie West (also called Hwy 80 West), 76116, which is near Sutherlands, Toyota of Fort Worth, etc.



I'm working on a new website, I bought FrontPage 2003 on Saturday. Currently, I only use the corporate site.



As of 8-28-05, the Hurst store is not yet certified to spray Xtra. My store is certified.

 

[brods]

DFriedson, nice post. Good info. Very nice job on the rockers on that Chevy.



A few questions: What does the liner penetrated the paint mean? It migrated through microscopic pores in the paint, or dissolved the paint or what?



Do you take the screws out of the tailgate before applying the liner? What happens if you ever have to get that panel off? Just cut the liner with a razor knife?



Will colors be just as strong and fade resistant as the black? Can cuts and gouges be touched up a few years from now?



What is your typical charge for rockers like the Chevy?



Thanks for the info, if only you were in Michigan!

 

[Tony T.]

The only damage I've suffered with my bedliner is from Stanadyne fuel additive. I had a bottle sitting on the bed rail while fueling one day, and fumbled it into the bed - some ran down the front corner seam of the bed and it instantly turned the LINE-X soft and sticky, the LINE-X never separated from the surface but that area stayed sticky for a long time.

Whoa! I thought Line-x was chemical resistant. Sure did not think Stanadyne was that potent. Whats in that stuff any way. :--)



Tony

 

[DFriedson]

brods:

The Dupont rep was showing us microscopic pictures of cross sections of LINE-X with LINE-X Xtra when he made the comment about LINE-X penetrating the OEM paint. So, I assume that it occured on a microscopic level.



On the tailgate, we remove the screws and raise the panel up about 1 inch, spray the tailgate, then lower the panel down and reinstall the screws. So, if you have a latch problem, you will be able to access the guts without tearing up your bedliner.



Right now, I use Dupont Ful-thane Nason for color matches. It works well, does not fade, and has been used for years. But, Xtra is even a better product. Xtra should be available in colors around November.



I can't post prices, I'll send a PM to you.



Mike Ellis:

As mentioned, I've been told that Xtra will be available in colors around November.



We've sprayed brush trucks for three different fire departments (Benbrook, Aledo, Rendon). These trucks have areas where the firemen walk. We apply very heavy texture in these areas so that their boots really get good traction when stepping on LINE-X. I can tell you that LINE-X is less slippery when wet than the 100% polyurethane brand bedliners. BTW, we just finished spraying a Jeep for one of the firemen. The entire Jeep was sprayed with black LINE-X, inside and out. We also use Dupont Nason for no fading (Xtra was too expensive for him). I'll post some pics tomorrow.



We offer a $30 discount (for bedliners) to Lockheed employees. Last year, I advertised for 6 months in the Lockheed newspaper.



I have a chemical compatibility chart for LINE-X and I'll be happy to share it with you. But, I have no idea what's in that fuel additive.

 

[mysteryman]

Some of you just don't get it!

There are many many costs that you are not figuring into the equation. .

Lets start with the years of R&D that it took to develope the product , the plant that had to be set up to produce it, to package it, to distribute it ect ect. .

These things cost big money! And lets not forget the EPA regulations and the cost of staying within them... Oh yea... . lets not forget the product liability insurance... . You know... . for when some dumb a** eats or breathes the product and sues the manufacturer for a hundred million for injuries. . Even if the manufacturer wins it may still cost them hundreds of thousands to defend themselves or to just pay the fool off to go away... ...



The reason why many on here belly ach about prices is because they do not know their a** from a hole in the ground when it comes to manufacturing, distribution or marketing! Everybody wants some thing for nothing...

If many of you had to produce the things you wanted in life all on your own you would have NOTHING. You would not have the knowledge , talent or money to take on even the smallest of projects. . All you have to do now is sit back and have it handed to you and pay little to nothing for what you want compared to what it cost to create the the first batch of product...

And still many of you are not happy..... If any of you feel so strongly about the high prices of manufactured goods . Then you should start producing them cheaper yourself... . Let me know when you do I will be glad to buy from you... . I am sure Chrysler will want to give you a job as well... . I am sure you could teach us something we don't know... ... After all we have only been doing it most of our lives. . There certainly must be a lot that we missed along the way.....



Some of you might want to get up off of the couch a little more often and get out in the real world and see how thing really are before you mouth off about things that you clearly know nothing about...



It is people like you that screw up things for the rest of us that do know what the score really is...



To those of you out there who are decent and have a clue about life. This was not directed at any of you...

So based on your facts, I can infer that it takes a little less than 4 gallons per truck (19 trucks per 75 gallon drum) and at $1500/drum*** assuming that price is accurate**** is $20 a gallon?



I was told two differerent products mixed together so maybe we are talking 2 drums mixed together for the "kit".....