New Rotella T formulation - Any opinions yet?

[jnelson]

Maybe 2 parts Crisco and 1 part extra virgin olive oil. Most of you guys wont keep nothing past 100,000 miles, which in turn wouldn't matter which oil you used.

 

[Crunch]

By the way, the duty cycle for the cummins in the dodge application your speaking of is not because of oil or fuel, it's because of higher hp ratings in the new trucks compared to the older trucks. The older trucks came out with a 5. 9 12 valve at 160 Hp, The new trucks with the 5. 9 24 valve are at 325 Hp. Any time you increase stress on a subject it decreases duty life expectancy.

I would counter that all those aspects work together as a system, and the duty cycle is based on the proper functioning of the system as a whole. HP is one aspect. But regardless of HP, substandard fluids, whether they be engine oil, fuel or coolant will decrease the life of an engine. If the new fuels and oils are manufactured in such a way that they have less lubricity, detergent or whatever they are substandard when compared to their predecessors. Unfortunately, rbattelle just bought of the last of the good stuff in the entire country, and the rest of us are out in the cold.

 

[rbattelle]

Unfortunately, rbattelle just bought of the last of the good stuff in the entire country, and the rest of us are out in the cold.

:-laf Right.



The reduction of zinc in the formulation for CJ-4 makes me like Valvoline Premium Blue that much more - it has high levels of molybdenum disulfide, which (as I understand it) has exceptionally high lubricity.



Ryan

 

[pwr2tow]

I would counter that all those aspects work together as a system, and the duty cycle is based on the proper functioning of the system as a whole. HP is one aspect. But regardless of HP, substandard fluids, whether they be engine oil, fuel or coolant will decrease the life of an engine. If the new fuels and oils are manufactured in such a way that they have less lubricity, detergent or whatever they are substandard when compared to their predecessors. Unfortunately, rbattelle just bought of the last of the good stuff in the entire country, and the rest of us are out in the cold.

The duty cycle of these engines as posted was made long before ULSD and CJ-4 oil was even mandated.

I agree that substandard fluids will contribute to less engine life. The problem is they have to be proven they are substandard for a given (MODEL YEAR) engine.

The fluids we are talking about is CJ-4 and ULSD. We are in the 3rd generation forums and those fluids should post no negligable effect on these trucks. People read something about a product having effect on older (first gen & second gen) or modified vehicles (engine performance enhancement parts) and think it applies to all vehicles.

When people read things on open websites they should ask themselves a couple of questions.
Who is makeing the claim?
Who is going to profit from making the claim?
Do companies make half truth and not all information disclosures?

I think most will find the answer is some where in the middle or is just a marketers claim.

 

[pwr2tow]

The reduction of zinc in the formulation for CJ-4 makes me like Valvoline Premium Blue that much more - it has high levels of molybdenum disulfide, which (as I understand it) has exceptionally high lubricity.

Ryan

This is unrelated to rbattelle, just using his post as a way of thinking.

A great example of when one component is deleted because of mandated rules the manufacturer adds back another component to make it just as good or in some instances better.

Yes I know Molybdenum was being added before the mandated CJ-4 with less zinc. Could it be they were adding it to get us informed users use to another component before they lowered the zinc level.

Keep in mind the majority of people don't even know about product components and just buy whats on the shelf. Manufacturers have to compensate for these people also. With these people in mind do you think fluid manufacturers are going to release products that will damage our vehicles and thus loose the publics business and go bankrupt. I highly doubt it.

When I think about things I like to use a little bit of trust and faith along with a heavy dose of common sence.

I know I sometimes come off as sarcastic and it's not meant to be that way. Hope no one takes offense.

 

[rbattelle]

With these people in mind do you think fluid manufacturers are going to release products that will damage our vehicles and thus loose the publics business and go bankrupt. I highly doubt it.

On the one hand, this is true. On the other hand, if you believe that in today's market the "normal" among us keep a vehicle less than 100k miles, is it so bad to release product that will only meet that planned lifespan?



I don't know if that's what the oil companies are thinking. But I suppose it's possible.



Ryan

 

[Crunch]

The duty cycle of these engines as posted was made long before ULSD and CJ-4 oil was even mandated.

That's why I worry about the effect the new oil and fuel formulas will have on these engines.

I agree that substandard fluids will contribute to less engine life. The problem is they have to be proven they are substandard for a given (MODEL YEAR) engine.

Last night I was listening to a rerun of the Midnight Trucking Radio Show. It's a show oriented to the trucking industry and therefore large OTR semi trucks, but a lot of what they talk about applies to all diesel engines. The theme of the show for the last year or so has been "running harder vs. running smarter". Last night they were discussing the ULSD and how it affects operating costs and its effects on engines. Injector failure was one potential problem. Lower lubricity (along with less efficient burn/lower BTU) was a top concern, and the response was overwhelmingly in favor of additives. There was also concern that the ULSD fuels gel at higher temperatures. Other actions in response to the ULSD fuels were shorter intervals for all filters and all fluids, and sticking with the OEM filters to insure the correct flow rates. They did say that while there are good aftermarket filters, many filter down to the point where flow is decreased from the outset, and gets worse as the filter collects particles. To me this means that there is greater stress, i. e wear and tear on diesel engines because of new oil and fuel formulas and the shorter fluid and filter intervals are recommended to counter those effects. And to the extent that jnelson is correct when he says that most people won't keep their trucks past 100,000 miles, I agree that the new formulas probably won't make a differenct. But I'm not in that group. I plan on driving my truck till the wheels fall off, and then ask myself if I weld them back on can I get another 50,000 miles out of the truck. I would also bet that for those who bomb their trucks these new fuels and oils are going to have a greater effect on performance and longevity.

 

[Regcabguy]

Delo 400@ Costco

Just returned with a case of Delo 400 CI-4 from Costco. It ran me $59. 79 w,"Ca oil fee"+7. 75% sales tax. OUCH! Darn near $10. 00 a gallon OTD. Not that long ago it was about $40. 00 OTD. Yikes! :{

 

[bluthndr]

Keep in mind the majority of people don't even know about product components and just buy whats on the shelf. Manufacturers have to compensate for these people also. With these people in mind do you think fluid manufacturers are going to release products that will damage our vehicles and thus loose the publics business and go bankrupt. I highly doubt it.

Diesel-wise, the zinc content of the new CJ-4 may have little (or no) effect on the longevity of our engines. However, as those of you into performance gas stuff know, there are (suddenly) a huge number of flat tappet cams getting wiped out during break-in which has been traced to lower ZDDP levels in gasoline engine oil. This is because all the OE gas stuff has been roller lifter equipped for 20 years or so. I believe most (all?) diesels are flat tappet, but they run no where near the spring pressures due to RPM. I doubt oil formulation changes will make much of a noticeable difference for the diesels and have seen no evidence or commentary that it will.

 

[jimnance]

Between the new oil formulas and the ULSD fuels we're really getting jacked around here. I've noticed a 1. 5MPG drop in my fuel economy when driving around town. On the highway it's about a . 25MPG drop. No telling how the new oil is going to affect performance and fuel economy. At least it looks like the CI-4 oils will be around at least till 2009. There's nothing we can do about the ULSD except start using fuel additives. Does anyone know how the fuel additives rate for increasing lubricity?

I know someone that noticed a drop in mileage after using ULSD. So, inquiring minds wanted to know if it was the fuel. They had some high sulfur off road fuel left over from the season and ran it. Mileage perked up about 1. 5 MPG. Maybe they ULSD was winter forumla and that was the difference. Hard to say.

 

[steved]

I know someone that noticed a drop in mileage after using ULSD. So, inquiring minds wanted to know if it was the fuel. They had some high sulfur off road fuel left over from the season and ran it. Mileage perked up about 1. 5 MPG. Maybe they ULSD was winter forumla and that was the difference. Hard to say.

I have seen just the opposite... I am seeing BETTER mileage with the newer ULSD than the old LSD...



I am finding myself in the lower 20mpg range more often than before...



steved

 

[pwr2tow]

Try this link.

http://list. priceweber.com/cummins/td/engine_oil.html

 

[pwr2tow]

Another good link

http://www.shell-lubricants.com/products/pdf/RotellaT(CJ-4).pdf

 

[amsoilman]

Another good link



http://www.shell-lubricants.com/products/pdf/RotellaT(CJ-4).pdf

And another good link.



http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/deo.aspx

 

[pwr2tow]

and another.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAUSE2CVLMOMobil_Delvac_1300_Super. asp