Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting New SNEAKY Anti gun efforts

[SNGLESHOT]

So far this is just a rumor but my wifes boss said today that there is a new anti gun effort underway by the sneaky Kenyan head shed. Apparently there is a law tucked into the new IRS law bill coming out. Supposedly there will be a $50 tax added on every gun that is registered and you supposedly will have to declare this when you file for your income taxes. I dont know why anybody would admit to owning a gun in that case... but I guess if your guns are already registered it would be too late. If they check files they could find out who owns guns and who dosnt.
Like I said... . this is only a rumor so far but it sounds like something they would do! Appreciate any feedback from somebody who actually knows. Thanks!

 

[B.G. Smith]

Yeah, it's coming, just a matter of time till they slip or ram something through. Here is a site that is kinda local but lots of good info. bg Texas Hunting Forum: Viewing list of forums

 

[fox]

They will NOT register or tax my constitutional rights.

PERIOD.

 

[HBarlow]

Each day since the jug-eared kenyan took office has brought more bad news for America. Gun taxes, what next?

 

[JCyrbok]

Are you talking about SB-2099 email that has been going around? Yeah that proposed bill died with out a vote back in 2000. Someone has "renewed" the alert e-mail, changed the dates and sent it back out again. I have talked to several people the last couple of days who have gotten the e-mail (I got it myself also). it is FALSE and not going to happen.



See the below link to the SNOPES. COM listing for it.



snopes.com: Handgun Safety and Registration Act



Hope this helps qwell the fear, LOL



J-



edit: BTW the e-mail snapshot that they have listed on the link at Snopes is verbatim, word for word the one that I got a couple of weeks ago.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

JC: Thanks for the clarification. I will pass the word back to quell the rumor.

 

[Curious Dave]

A little off key... But here we go.



Some of what they are asking isn't bad at all... in fact I think there should be some sort of testing to show people are competent enough to own a firearm. I disagree with the registering of every weapon.



We already are required to have licenses to drive... conceal and carry... build a home... . Hell. . you need certifications or licenses to work and to do just about anything worth while... I think a license for a firearm makes sense. But documenting every weapon in this country? No thanx.



There are a lot of people that have firearms that have no business owning them.



There are a lot of people driving that have no business driving, drinking, working, having kids, breathing... .



Firearms are nothing more than a mechanical device that contains an explosion, and directs a projectile/s from the explosion. No one seams to have constitutional issues with throwing explosive items into a camp fire. No constitutional issues with sling shots, blow darts, crossbows, anything that does the similar functions as a pistol, or a rifle.



No one has outlawed nuclear weapons, or any of the products used to make bombs in the kitchen. I would have to say that if we are to have firearms outlawed, or controlled in such a fasion... then anything that controls combustion, is combustible, controls movable objects / projectile direction, be controlled in a similar fasion.



That means that McGyver videos should be wiped out and any science related to such devices also be outlawed or performed by a special elite government controlled think tank.



Just what in the hell were the chinese thinking thousands of years ago when they invented gunpowder? Look how it has ruined our society.

 

[The patriot]

sorta related

I dont remember if I saw this here or somewhere else, but it sure gives me a warm & fuzzy feeling:

USA Buys Enough Guns to Outfit the Entire Chinese

 

[fest3er]

A little off key... But here we go.

Some of what they are asking isn't bad at all... in fact I think there should be some sort of testing to show people are competent enough to own a firearm. I disagree with the registering of every weapon.

We already are required to have licenses to drive... conceal and carry... build a home... . Hell. . you need certifications or licenses to work and to do just about anything worth while... I think a license for a firearm makes sense. But documenting every weapon in this country? No thanx. ...

Sorry, Dave. The business of determining who may or may not keep and bear arms is expressly prohibited from any government; the Constitution is very clear about this. That is one of the powers that we, the people, reserved to ourselves. The government is not allowed to license rights. Driving a motor vehicle is not necessarily a right. (I sometimes wonder, but realize it's away down on the scale. ) Keeping and bearing arms is a right. In fact, it is a right that pre-dates the first social compact; people have always had the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their families and friends, and their property.

One needs certifications and/or licenses to perform certain kinds of work, like medical work, cosmetology, dermatology, certain kinds of engineering that can have legal ramifications. But I certainly do not need a license to design and write software. I certainly do not need a license to source and sell billboard t-shirts. I certainly don't need a license to operate a motorsports sanctioning business. I certainly don't need a license to repair motor vehicles. Why? We have the right to use what we know and can do to provide a future for ourselves. Licensing comes in when the health and safety of the unwitting public can be compromised by fly-by-night hooligans.

If a bridge is designed or built improperly, it may be years before the incompetence is uncovered. If a beautician or tattooer does not properly clean cutters and other sharps, it may be difficult to trace the source of a disease. If a restaurateur does not keep a clean facility, it may be difficult to trace the outbreak of disease. But if a firearm is used improperly, it is known pretty quickly.

As I've said before, we have the right to keep and bear arms. But we also have the responsibility to use those arms properly, if we use them at all.

Testing for arms competence must be left to us, the people. We should hold classes to teach folks how safely to keep and bear arms. We should ensure that only 'sane' folks possess arms. The government must stay far, far away from that business, because the Constitution is explicitly clear: "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " There is no non-arbitrary and non-capricious away to interpret the 2nd amendment any other way. There may be no law that prevents anyone from keeping and bearing arms of any kind, and any law that does come into existence is automatically null, void and without meaning.

 

[SNGLESHOT]

Neal: YOU should run for office! That was well said indeed! Nuff said.

 

[Curious Dave]

Neal... I do agree with most of what you are saying... My point was more a matter of saying that the idea of having a certification of competence would not be a bad thing. I re-read my comment about the licensing... You are correct... you caught me... I mis-spoke. Licensing for a firearm... NO! Certification of a training course and possibly a document for competency... Yes.

I had a pistol pulled on me by some deranged demented old man last week. I won't get into the situation right now... but it was obvious to everyone that he had no business having a firearm of any kind. He did have the right... and that is cool with me.

Competency... He did not have. Heck he didn't have it cocked and he was shaking so bad I don't think he could have shot my truck let alone me... . I was going to take it from him. . but I think he would have killed over from a heart attack. Poor old fart was in his mid 80's. He could barely make a sentence.

But the fact remains that there are to many situations where people, regardless of age or any other possible prejudices, have firearms and are a danger to themselves and others.

Was I scared? no... Angry? Yes.

I am not saying that weapons need to be registered, taxed, or licensed. Just that the people that want one should be required to go to an educational course, as well as a competency hearing or test every so often. You do have to have business licensing and certifications to reflect your ability to perform those tasks that are deemed important. Just as with all things important and for safety concerns, there are some things that need to be addressed.

I know that for the most part people are relatively intelligent, and mean well... But there are those that are the bad apples.

 

[The patriot]

Sorry, Dave. The business of determining who may or may not keep and bear arms is expressly prohibited from any government; the Constitution is very clear about this. That is one of the powers that we, the people, reserved to ourselves. The government is not allowed to license rights. Driving a motor vehicle is not necessarily a right. (I sometimes wonder, but realize it's away down on the scale. ) Keeping and bearing arms is a right. In fact, it is a right that pre-dates the first social compact; people have always had the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their families and friends, and their property.



One needs certifications and/or licenses to perform certain kinds of work, like medical work, cosmetology, dermatology, certain kinds of engineering that can have legal ramifications. But I certainly do not need a license to design and write software. I certainly do not need a license to source and sell billboard t-shirts. I certainly don't need a license to operate a motorsports sanctioning business. I certainly don't need a license to repair motor vehicles. Why? We have the right to use what we know and can do to provide a future for ourselves. Licensing comes in when the health and safety of the unwitting public can be compromised by fly-by-night hooligans.



If a bridge is designed or built improperly, it may be years before the incompetence is uncovered. If a beautician or tattooer does not properly clean cutters and other sharps, it may be difficult to trace the source of a disease. If a restaurateur does not keep a clean facility, it may be difficult to trace the outbreak of disease. But if a firearm is used improperly, it is known pretty quickly.



As I've said before, we have the right to keep and bear arms. But we also have the responsibility to use those arms properly, if we use them at all.



Testing for arms competence must be left to us, the people. We should hold classes to teach folks how safely to keep and bear arms. We should ensure that only 'sane' folks possess arms. The government must stay far, far away from that business, because the Constitution is explicitly clear: "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " There is no non-arbitrary and non-capricious away to interpret the 2nd amendment any other way. There may be no law that prevents anyone from keeping and bearing arms of any kind, and any law that does come into existence is automatically null, void and without meaning.

You Sir have a way with words.

Well put!

 

[SRath]

Curious Dave: "Firearms are nothing more than a mechanical device that contains an explosion, and directs a projectile/s from the explosion. "

Dave, You may not care, or you may choose to believe it is just "nit-picking", but believe me, you DO NOT understand how a modern firearm and ammunition work if this is how you describe them.

Black powder "explodes".
Modern gunpowder "burns".

Pour a small pile of each and toss a match on 'em if you do not believe me.

That is a big difference given the federal classifications of "explosives" vs. ammunition.

Modern ammunition has only ONE component that is "explosive". That is the primer. Unlike blackpowder, modern gunpowders burn at a controlled rate, and if you reload, you know that rate varies greatly from powder to powder.

That rapid, but controlled, burn produces gas pressure that push the bullet or wad & shot out the end of the barrel.

We have a hard enough time defending our Right to own firearms and their ammunition. Please do not make it easier for the gun-grabbing anti-Constitutionalists to further their evil cause by classifying modern ammunition as "explosives".

 

[kenny61]

A little off key... But here we go.



Some of what they are asking isn't bad at all... in fact I think there should be some sort of testing to show people are competent enough to own a firearm. I disagree with the registering of every weapon.



We already are required to have licenses to drive... conceal and carry... build a home... . Hell. . you need certifications or licenses to work and to do just about anything worth while... I think a license for a firearm makes sense. But documenting every weapon in this country? No thanx.



There are a lot of people that have firearms that have no business owning them.



There are a lot of people driving that have no business driving, drinking, working, having kids, breathing... .



Firearms are nothing more than a mechanical device that contains an explosion, and directs a projectile/s from the explosion. No one seams to have constitutional issues with throwing explosive items into a camp fire. No constitutional issues with sling shots, blow darts, crossbows, anything that does the similar functions as a pistol, or a rifle.



No one has outlawed nuclear weapons, or any of the products used to make bombs in the kitchen. I would have to say that if we are to have firearms outlawed, or controlled in such a fasion... then anything that controls combustion, is combustible, controls movable objects / projectile direction, be controlled in a similar fasion.



That means that McGyver videos should be wiped out and any science related to such devices also be outlawed or performed by a special elite government controlled think tank.



Just what in the hell were the chinese thinking thousands of years ago when they invented gunpowder? Look how it has ruined our society.

I've seen a few retards with guns and have thought the same thing as I wonder if they will wind up shooting themselves or somebody else accidentally. I have seen far more retards driving who have actually hurt and or killed themselves and or others and the have taken a "competency" test. In short I agree with you as to retards do own guns. I disagree that any test or course will actually educate them and it will only lead to a hassle for competent people. In short you can't fix stupid and I hope that they will Darwin themselves and make the world a safer place. If you ever question the average mans intelligence just go to you tube It is filled with retards with guns. atvs, cars, boats jet skis staples pieces of paper etc. I bet almost all of them have a drivers license

 

[Curious Dave]

Kenny... . You got my point. Not everything I commented on was to be taken so literal. Sorry for offending anyone that takes some of this as a religion. SEMPER FI!

SRath... . You are correct... It is just as similar in difference as gasoline versus diesel. I understand your point of view and respect your opinion. The post was meant to get input and opinions and was not meant to offend. I wrote it quickly and really didn't believe anyone would get upset. I did make some commentary errors and appreciate you pointing out that which you did. This bulletin is in no way going to be something that could ever be used by rational and relatively intelligent people that are in a position to make changes in the laws governing our rights and/or responsibilities. I enjoy shooting and very much like the assault weapons available.

 

[Crazy Horse]

"Fox wrote":

They will NOT register or tax my constitutional rights.

PERIOD.

Same here!

 

[TRLRTRSH]

Curious Dave, I was on active duty for over 7 years, fired, M-1, M-14, M-16, 45 auto, 50 cal.

I think I proved my competency and to this day can still purchase weapons from Uncle Obama through the CMP program. Matters of fact I have ammo on order right now! I don't need to prove my competency to any paper-pushing-pencil-neck. My DD-214 is competency enough!



I'm really not taking you so literally, really

See the can of worms one opens with stuff like that?

 

[Adventure Bob]

The right to bear arms doesnt have a licensure stipulation on it in the Constituition. It is a right, just like the right to assemble, and freedom to exercise religeon. The way despotic governments know who to kill first is that they required a gun registration previous to their plans.



In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.



In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1. 5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.



Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated



China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.



Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.



Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. .



Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.