New Toyota Turbo diesel set to lead the class

[CATCRACKER]

yea how long did it take toy to get a fullsize truck right do you rememeber t-100? and even the tundra does not have a full size truck feel to me. tiny sounding v-8 kind of like the new 6L. you right about solid front axles and heavy duty parts. probably be a low rider to like the chebby.

 

[DPelletier]

dodge is loosing that too come the 05. 5 model year... goodbye nv5600, hello getrag g56

Yeah, I figured someone would bring that up, but I think you get my point.



Dave

 

[KCJackson]

A few thoughts:



1. 390 hp would translate to 620 lb-ft at 3300 rpm, or just 585 lb-ft if that hp peak is 3500 rpm. That's a pretty steep fall-off from a peak of 700 lb-ft. The Cummins stays much more level during its power band, dropping from 610 at 1600 only down to 588 at the hp peak rpm of 2900. The largest numbers are for advertising, the bottom line is how much torque lasts as you increase the rpm.



2. American HD truck buyers customize and modify to their needs. They also like trucks with commonly available parts. You can find Dana and AAM/GM axle parts all over, but what components will Toyota use? If they go in-house, it will be very expensive and time-consuming to repair or BOMB.



3. One thing I find questionable about the Tundra and Titan designs are their "integrated" front bumper designs. All the American trucks use fully separated front bumpers that can be spaced forward for winches and plow equipment. If Toyota continues with the overstyled integrated look, it will be more difficult to add such equipment.



4. Toyota will have to match things like body width and bed size in order to take on the Big 3. HD users want the 80-inch wide cab so they can seat three adults across, and nothing less than a true 8-foot bed will do for many customers.



By the time this new Toy appears, I would expect Dodge to be offering the 6. 7L Cummins ISBe with a 5/6 speed automatic, certainly capable of matching the proposed power numbers of the Toyota. GM will probably have a redesigned HD truck by 2007 with a punched-up Duramax, and Ford will surely do something with the Powerstroke to keep up. Toyota will have its work cut out before they ever hit the ground, and sales will definitely be slow as people wait for the bugs to go away. The HD truck buyer will not be fooled by a wannabe; this Toyota will have to be an American heavy duty pickup from the road to the roof, or we will dismiss it very quickly.

 

[djbobo]

Looks like we'll have another high - rev'n , gas like - feel'n , light duty rated V-8 style diesel to choose from. I guess having three to choose from is better than two. I wonder how it will compare to the VW Tourage diesel?

Anyone else remember the 1 ton yoters in the late 70's & early 80's? If that's their idea of an HD pick-up

no thanks

 

[QRTRHRS]

I agree competition is good for the consumer and I have owned six Toyota's, the last being a 92' Camry. The other six were pickups including one of those so called one tons.



I just don't buy into press releases touting the best thing since sliced bread. Especially, when it comes from foreign makers who have convinced many that they can do no wrong.



Anyway, if it works for you, go for it. Me? My 97' is paid for. I intend on keeping it until the body rots off then the Cummins will repower something else.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

Looks like we'll have another high - rev'n , gas like - feel'n , light duty rated V-8 style diesel to choose from.

700 lb ft at 2900 rpm is 390 hp. Something to ponder. It most likely isnt, but just might be, a medium duty diesel.

 

[nickleinonen]

700 lb ft at 2900 rpm is 390 hp. Something to ponder. It most likely isnt, but just might be, a medium duty diesel.

if that is so, they've done like dodge and "custom" programed an out-sourced engine. 2900rpm is high for a medium duty engine. most top out at 2600rpm [navistar, cummins also] but in customer trim, they rev higher [like 4K+ for the 6. 0 posd]

 

[Royk]

For those of you who think a Toyota that is not as heavy duty as the big 3 won't sell: Just remember that not everyone driving 3/4 ton diesels are using them to pull umpteen thousand pound fifth wheels over the Rockies. Many here not only don't tow, but never allow anything into the bed that might leave a scratch. We drive HD trucks because they don't offer a diesel in anything less, such as a 1500 or a dakota. We don't have a choice. I only tow a 4,000 pound boat and occasionally haul a load or two of hay (although I guess you wouldn't put 3,000 pounds of hay in a Dakota :-laf ). I don't really *need* this truck. I bought a diesel truck for longevity (I drive about 24K-26K per year) and for what was once-upon-a-time *fuel economy* For many people a CTD is a daily driver that never sees a trailer hitch attached or a load in the bed.



Roy

 

[CATCRACKER]

roy you bring up a good point how many trucks would dodge sell if they put a 250hp v8 cummins in a 1500 ram? how about using the same solid axle they have in the new powerwagon with the cummins. i would buy one as many others who only tow 4K.



i would like to see toyota come out with a diesel and i am sure it will be a good one will i buy... . no but i am glad to see deisels making a comeback.

 

[DPelletier]

For those of you who think a Toyota that is not as heavy duty as the big 3 won't sell: Just remember that not everyone driving 3/4 ton diesels are using them to pull umpteen thousand pound fifth wheels over the Rockies. Many here not only don't tow, but never allow anything into the bed that might leave a scratch. We drive HD trucks because they don't offer a diesel in anything less, such as a 1500 or a dakota. We don't have a choice. I only tow a 4,000 pound boat and occasionally haul a load or two of hay (although I guess you wouldn't put 3,000 pounds of hay in a Dakota :-laf ). I don't really *need* this truck. I bought a diesel truck for longevity (I drive about 24K-26K per year) and for what was once-upon-a-time *fuel economy* For many people a CTD is a daily driver that never sees a trailer hitch attached or a load in the bed.



Roy

I agree. That's exactly my point; the Toyota is unlikely to be direct competition for our Rams. They will more likely be competition for the new Ford F-150 Diesel and a 1500 Ram Diesel (if they ever built one). I have no doubt that many people (just like yourself) don't really need a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck and that DC will loose some sales, but that doesn't mean that this Toyota diesel can go toe to toe with the Ram in the towing and hauling department.



Dave

 

[RustyJC]

Yep, just what the world needs - more diesel-powered mall cruisers. :{



If that's what someone wants, fine - more power to them. Some of us need trucks built for a purpose, and for some of us, that's towing heavy 5th wheel RVs, goosenecks, etc. At this point, it seems that only Ford is really waking up to this market with their new Super Dutys with the integral trailer brake controller, upgraded GVWRs and GCWRs, etc. It would be nice to see Dodge, Toyota and others participate in this "working truck" market.



Rusty

 

[SMorneau]

I have owned two Toyota pickups a 1984 four cylinder 4x4 and a 1993 6 cylinder 4x4.



I wish I would have kept the 84. The 2200R 4 popper was a nice little straight axle truck that was easy to work on and very reliable.



The 93 was a pain in the rear from the git-go. 3 headgasket jobs at about $1,100 a pop and is was an absolute dog that was lucky to get 17mpg going down hill. It had a very poor turning radius and when you cut it hard it make terrible noises as the knuckles hit the stops. More than 600lbs in the rear of the 93 would make it squat like my female lab taking a leak. As far as rust it was no better than similar year American made cars.



Toyota design engineers are as wonderful as Toyota owner would like to believe. Sure they make nice vehicles but they are way over priced. I do hae to add, my experiences with the Toyota dealerships have been always been top notch.

 

[Hohn]

Yep, just what the world needs - more diesel-powered mall cruisers. :{



If that's what someone wants, fine - more power to them. Some of us need trucks built for a purpose, and for some of us, that's towing heavy 5th wheel RVs, goosenecks, etc. At this point, it seems that only Ford is really waking up to this market with their new Super Dutys with the integral trailer brake controller, upgraded GVWRs and GCWRs, etc. It would be nice to see Dodge, Toyota and others participate in this "working truck" market.



Rusty

I guess I might be an irritant to you, then Rusty :-laf



I don't own anything to tow! I bought my CTD because it was the only way to get BOTH hot-rod performance AND decent fuel economy in a full-size 4x4.



I could EASILY have gotten by with a 1500 Hemi, but what fun would THAT have been?

 

[RustyJC]

Justin,



Nope, not an irritant at all! I guess I'm just expressing my frustration that a sizeable and growing market of retiring baby boomers (check the RV sales figures and campground booking data) who are dragging RVs around the country has been and seemingly continues to be ignored. As I said, Ford finally seems to recognize this with their new Super Duty models - I can only hope the other manufacturers would wake up and follow suit.



There's a place in this universe for both mall cruisers and working trucks.



Rusty

 

[1340]

It will be hard for Toyota to compete with the Big 3 in the Heavy Duty market, but if they (or any maker) bring out a 1/2 ton with a slightly smaller diesel they would make a killing.

 

[QRTRHRS]

The real trick will be to produce a diesel, even a light diesel that will perform, have longevity and be competitively priced with a gasser. What with diesel running ~20 cents a gallon more than regular at least in my area, the premium usually associated with the diesels available makes it hard to justify on the mpg alone.

 

[amsoilman]

The real trick will be to produce a diesel, even a light diesel that will perform, have longevity and be competitively priced with a gasser. What with diesel running ~20 cents a gallon more than regular at least in my area, the premium usually associated with the diesels available makes it hard to justify on the mpg alone.

I hear ya. The Diesel in my area is $. 30-$. 40 cents more per gallon! Now up to $2. 44/Gallon at some stations along the Wasatch front here in Utah.



Wayne

amsoilman