New Turbo

[CHolman]

I have a 04' 305/555 with the bully dog power pup downloader, 5' stacks and AEM Brute force intake. Now, since tax season is right around the cornor, I want to look into getting a new Turbo. I'm not looking into going all out, but I want a nice turbo that will spool up just as good or better than my stock, but will support at least another 150 hp. I would like a ball bearing, but I want to see what you guy's recommend. Thanks...

 

[LightmanE300]

If you're planning on staying with your current mods and only supporting 150+ hp, I would look into the BD Super-B. I just bought one myself (arrives today!) to run as a single for the next few months before doing a twins project this coming spring/summer. Most that do run it by itself have reported pretty nice egt drops/power gains compared to the 03-04 turbo. The 04. 5's have an upgraded turbo compared to ours. You could go bigger like a SPS 66 or something, but you mentioned you want spool to be just as good as stock or better. I don't think you'll find any spool better than the little stocker. Maybe lil red cummins will reply, as he has run a single super-b for quite some time now with his tst box.

 

[CHolman]

Sounds good, let me know how it works for you... Yeah, I just want to stick with my current mods. The truck as plenty of power, I just want to help it breath eaier and not make it work as hard.

 

[RDietze]

the super B is your turbo if you don't want to sacrifice spool up - doesn't spool quite as good as the stocker. i have been running one for about 18 months and it sounds like it will meet your needs.

another cheaper alternative would be to get piers' upgraded hy35 turbo - it used to be around 400 bucks. stronger shaft, better bearings larger compressor wheel = nearly identical to the 04. 5 and newer ctds.



the super b will run cooler than the upgraded stocker - it will set you back around 1200. 00



i like my super b, and like lightman, it is my stepping stone to twins

 

[CHolman]

Great I'll take a look at the super B turbo. Where did you guy's get your turbo's? I am planning on putting the ATS manifold on too, so hopefully it will help spool it up a little better too. All I have left to do so upgrade the clutch, get the BD outlook Monitor, and the torqe Dog and I'll be set...

 

[RDietze]

i got mine from extreme diesel - he has since sold is business to pt-motorsports.com



i saved some money going through exteme -- pt-motorsports also sells below m. a. p. and will likely save you up to 10% over any other posted price

 

[RDietze]

yikes! the prices are up on bd's homepage. 1315. 00. bd-power.com



i think i paid around 1100. 00

 

[sfr1047]

What size housing and compressor wheel on the Super B?

How much turbo whine do you hear with it?

 

[RDietze]

the super b is the same as an airwerks S300



the turbo looks like an hX-35 on the outside (like on a 2nd genner) but spools better than an hx-35. everyone is secretive about the dimensions of the turbo's innards. my guess would be a 12 or 14 cm turbine and i have no clue on the compressor. it makes more turbine (like a jet) noise than whine/whistle. synthetic oil has brought out SOME whistle noise through the exhaust (but not like a hx-35).



citydiesel sells the airwerks s300 - maybe they could/would divulge some information? i don't know what all secretiveness is all about??

 

[LightmanE300]

I believe the super b just starts as a s300 and is modified from there. Not sure of the exact changes. In any case, truckaddons.com has a pretty cheap price - $1196 shipped. I got mine for a tad less when they had a 5% off special with free shipping. It just arrived a few hours ago



RDietze, how did your exhaust bolt up to the turbo? Did you have to use the reducer or does the banks exhaust come with a bigger elbow?



You say the sound is more turbine jetlike than whiney/whistly. . is it safe to say it's less high pitched on the highway?



How much fuel can you run with just the super b and what are your egts like?

 

[CHolman]

There was a truck back home in New Mexico that fired up at the local Sonic and I couldn't catch him to ask, but the turbo screamed at idle like some big rigs at idle. Even though it was a 96 or 97 Power Stroke, I have never forgot that sound. I know it was a ball bearing turbo, but I just wished I knew who made it. He had a full lengh exhaust, "I" have stacks with a after market 5 inch down pipe and full five inch pipe all the way out the top. I have turbo whine at idle, but not like that thing did. Anyone run a ball bearing turbo on their truck?

 

[RDietze]

I believe the super b just starts as a s300 and is modified from there. Not sure of the exact changes. In any case, truckaddons.com has a pretty cheap price - $1196 shipped. I got mine for a tad less when they had a 5% off special with free shipping. It just arrived a few hours ago



RDietze, how did your exhaust bolt up to the turbo? Did you have to use the reducer or does the banks exhaust come with a bigger elbow?



You say the sound is more turbine jetlike than whiney/whistly. . is it safe to say it's less high pitched on the highway?



How much fuel can you run with just the super b and what are your egts like?

Lightman,



i had to use the provided adapter and then had to muscle the exhaust to align with the turbo - it fit, but it was tight. the banks exhaust did away with the stock cast iron elbow and the banks is 4" right from the start.



less high pitch than stocker without the silencer ring - but very pleasing to the ears. it breaks up the whistle out of the exhaust but i can slightly hear whistle with the truck idling standing on the outside - doesn't sound as sweet as a ford 7. 3 psd with aftermarket exhaust.



i haven't pushed it hard on the fuel side because of the weak 48re transmission. with my tst on its lowest setting (1/1) and the edge ez on its lowest setting (1), the truck is a rocket ship. i'm afraid to put more fuel to it because the truck is exponentially more spirited than it used to be and i do not want to be walking home after spending 30 minutes picking up the pieces of my transmission.



i haven't been able to get egts over 1050 - that is, standing on it going up an 8% grade - that can't be good on the 48re/torque converter. i have built my truck to be about as fuel efficient as i am going to get her - i can get around 22mpg using summer fuel (highway) - making the truck PRACTICALLY affordable to drive. :-laf



ron

 

[McDowra]

the super b is the same as an airwerks S300



citydiesel sells the airwerks s300 - maybe they could/would divulge some information? i don't know what all secretiveness is all about??

The Airwerks has a 14. 77cm exhaust housing. The compressor wheel inducer is 56mm and exducer is 84mm. (all compressor wheel measurments approx. ) The overall Top to bottom is approx 49mm vs. the average Hx35s 39mm. <- this is why the inducer doesnt have to be as large as your probably expecting.



The quicker spoolup comes from a more efficent turbine wheel / housing design and a really tight . 50ar compressor housing.



Hope this helps



call us if we can help in any way



jason



citydiesel.net

 

[McDowra]

There was a truck back home in New Mexico that fired up at the local Sonic and I couldn't catch him to ask, but the turbo screamed at idle like some big rigs at idle. Even though it was a 96 or 97 Power Stroke, I have never forgot that sound. I know it was a ball bearing turbo, but I just wished I knew who made it. He had a full lengh exhaust, "I" have stacks with a after market 5 inch down pipe and full five inch pipe all the way out the top. I have turbo whine at idle, but not like that thing did. Anyone run a ball bearing turbo on their truck?

Sorry to double post. From your description of the sound, its probably the garrett ball bearing , very unique sound

 

[TexasCat.]

I just ordered an HTB2 with the 12cm housing. I have read a lot of good things about them. I hope that I am not disappointed. My goal is to reduce my EGTs by 300 degrees at WOT.

 

[RDietze]

The Airwerks has a 14. 77cm exhaust housing. The compressor wheel inducer is 56mm and exducer is 84mm. (all compressor wheel measurments approx. ) The overall Top to bottom is approx 49mm vs. the average Hx35s 39mm. <- this is why the inducer doesnt have to be as large as your probably expecting.



The quicker spoolup comes from a more efficent turbine wheel / housing design and a really tight . 50ar compressor housing.



Hope this helps



call us if we can help in any way



jason



citydiesel.net

wow, thanks for the info!



sounds like the super b/airwerks s300 is a better piece of engineering/technology than what i had originally bargained for -- i like when that happens :-laf



i won't see 50 psi like with the new super phat shaft 66s, but i'm sure it doesn't spool anything close to the super b. my plan is to go twins with the super b as part of the compound set up.



cheers,

ron

 

[LightmanE300]

Well we threw it on last night I haven't really flogged it yet as I'm being a good boy and following the instructions to take it easy for the first 100 miles. Luckily I have about 80 so far. The install was not the easiest... it seemed like little things kept taking forever, but probably wouldn't on a stock truck. . Having to work around the massive KORE shock tower caused some clearance issues. Anyway the turbo actually sounds just about the same as the stocker, although I've only had it up to about 25lbs of boost so far. It does make less boost at cruising speeds/light throttle than stock, so when you're putting around, the egt's are slightly higher. The spool up is very very quick, it seems the same as stock as far as I can tell so far. One thing that's nice is that at 65mph there is zero turbo whine, it's barely making 6psi or maybe 8... I'll report back later once I've romped it a bit

 

[F-15I Ra'am]

Have you got it up to 75mph yet? If so what did it sound like at that speed compared to stock?

 

[LightmanE300]

I'm just back from a little test flight. I definitely need to tighten a few intercooler clamps etc as I can hear some boost leaking out, however the performance is definitely there. Once it spools up the truck really moves. What really impressed me was that previously with the stock turbo I only ran around 60 hp on the juice, and could hit around 1100F preturbo with that setting WOT. With 100hp dialed up, I would typically hit 1350-1400F. On my run tonight, I threw it on 100hp and stomped it and left it there. I could not hit more than 1100. I was pretty pumped! I haven't tried it on the HOT setting yet... my poor 48re lol...

 

[Benson]

At what point do you need to consider the head studs? Is that not a concern with a single turbo? Just twins?