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Just bought a red '03 QC 4x4. Been babied for 200 miles, till last night at a stop light next to a Ford with dual exhaust. Left him sitting there; couldn't help grinning, and my wife just laughed at me.

Anyway, here's the question:

The stock 265/70/17 tires looked silly on such a big truck, so I found a set of 315/70 BFG's and had them installed. Decent price, and no one had Toyo 285's and couldn't tell me when they'd get them. The BFG's look great, much more in proportion to the truck.

Problem is, the speedo is off by about 5 mph @ 70. Wouldn't be that big of an issue, but I write guidebooks on the side, and track mileage to locations, so I need an accurate odometer.

After doing some searching on this list, I see references to the TruSpeed module. I also see that it voids the warranty. Since I spent extra for an extended warranty, can't go that route.

Question is, is there another way to reprogram the speedo and ABS?

And do the larger tires void the warranty?

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Dealer?

Check with your dealer. I know they can recalibrate the speedo but I'm not sure if they can for the 315's. If you find out, let us know if they can and how much. I'm about to put some 34. 5 inch tires on and I'll need to do the same.
 
I use GPS, but in some situations it doesn't work very well (heavy tree cover, lots of altitude changes).



The official word from DC is that if the speedo is recalibrated, the warranty on the entire vehicle is void. If the oversized tires cause a problem, the compenent that failed because of the tire size would not be covered. This is the dealer's call.



Problem is, any drivetrain problem could possibly be tied to the tire diameter/size by a dealer or zone rep that wanted to get out of paying for a repair.



The dealer also refuses to recalibrate the speedo.



Anyone want to buy some very slightly used 315 BFG's?
 
My dealer said they would recalibrate mine. I guess I'll have to check to make sure I do not loose my warranty. My tires are 305/70r/17's 34" diameter.
 
One dealer here did say he could recalibrate it. He also said the most he could do was 3-4 mph difference, which I don't believe will cover the difference. According to the calculations from a website I found from another post on a similar subject here, the difference in speed @ 70 is 5 mph. That is less than others here have said they have.

BTW, what kind of tire comes in a 305/70?
 
The 305/70r/17's that I have are the Goodyear MTR'S. A friend of mine had a connection with a large distributor who was willing to get them for me for $125 each. The best price I could find for these elsewhere was $210 each. I had decided to go with a different tire until he called me about the deal. I plan on putting them on in a few days and I will post what the dealer has to say and how it turns out.
 
Don't make the mistake I did and not ask these questions until after you install the tires. Waste of money, and makes me feel kind of foolish as well.



The tire dealer has agreed to give me store credit for the amount I paid for the tires towards another purchase. They didn't have to do that, so I'm pretty lucky. I have ordered the Toyo Open Country AT's in a 285/70. That one size difference should not be enough to cause any warranty problems. Of course, I'm told it may be a month until they get here. Anyone know of another tire of this tread type (non-mudder) that is available in 285/70 size?



These trucks seem to impair good judgement on upgrades, don't they?
 
Okay, I couldn't stand it anymore and called my dealer and talked to the service manager. He said recalibrating the speedo does not void the warranty. Here is where that big word comes in. But putting oversize tires is one of the questions asked if a failure occurs. Now I have been through this before with other 4x4's that had lift kits and really large tires. I would think the 34" would not cause any problems. I also asked him about the 6 speed growling while in not in gear and he said he had not heard anything yet. I know some have posted that they are getting there trucks fixed so I told him to find out soon. I told him as far as warranty went they could always use the oversize tire excuse whenever they wanted too. I don't know. I think I will go with it anyway. What do ya'll think. Should this be a concern or not?
 
I should have been clearer. If the speedo is recalibrated by anyone other than the dealer, the warranty is void. Some dealers can and will, others won't. I called 4 here before I found one that would.



Have a friend that works for DC; he's doing some "inside" checking to see just how specific the warranty thing is relative to tire size.
 
Originally posted by ANutt

I should have been clearer. If the speedo is recalibrated by anyone other than the dealer, the warranty is void. Some dealers can and will, others won't. I called 4 here before I found one that would.



Have a friend that works for DC; he's doing some "inside" checking to see just how specific the warranty thing is relative to tire size.



Any news yet? I'm due for a new set at 22k and would like something taller!
 
Based on my experience with my 02 (I've had exposure up the ladder for front end issues) I've learned the following:



1. The further up the ladder you go in a warranty question, the more "by the book" they get. DC officially warrants 265/70s. period. Don't expect to get any sympathy from on high for front end parts if you are running 315s.



2. Tire sizes are definately one of the first things the zone rep and others will ask about if you come in with a front end issue like tie rod ends, steering box, whatever.



3. The dealer service manager has some authority to represent you and perform a repair under warranty without involving anyone above him. Get on his good side and ask what he is confortable with. Mine is comfortable with 285s and has represented me wonderfully well through my trac bar issues on the 02. The value of a good relationship with your service manager cannot be over stated. I've heard of one other dealer service manger who was confortable with 315s on the 3rd gens, but I bet that is rare and short lived if any issues crop up.



4. A lot of guys run 315s on the 3rd gen trucks. the front end is a lot more robust than on the 2nd gens, so the risk is low. That said, consider playing it safe with a tire approved by your service manager. wear those out and then put something else on. By that time the suspension warranty will be expired anyway and you will have ironed out any issues previously.



5. running 315s without a re-cal will raise spedometer fraud questions if somebody is passionate about finding fault with you. The error is on the order of 10% (depending on the tire) which is substantial. If DC finds out you have 35,000 miles on a set of 315s and you come in for front end problems, guess what -- you really have more like 38,000 on the truck and so you're out of warranty anyway!



6. running 285s without a re-cal represents only a 3% error and does not raise the above issues.



Just my opinion but I think 315s are too tall for 3. 73 gears anyway. Engine rpms at highway speeds are too slow. good choice if you have 4. 10s though...



I'm not surprised that if DC finds out someone else has re-cal'd the spedo that they slap a limited warranty on the vehicle. YOu don't want anyone playing with the ECM unless you are prepared to be your own warranty station. Another alternative is after market spedo calibrators that live on your vehicle and re-map readings correctly. No change to the factory ECM, no loss of vehicle warranty, but if the after market device screws up something, be prepared for an interesting show. I don't think that has ever happend, by the way...



That happy situation aside, if you are committed to 315s, I'd have the dealer re-cal for you. Find one who will do it. Then you avoid all spedo fraud issues; even warranty claims issues. I'm told that the ECM will accomodate 315/70s dead on (will go down to 599 revs per mile. the BFG 315/70 is 601), Then, you don't have a limited waranty, and any parts failure disputes will be governed by the MM warranty verbiage, meaning that they have to prove that your large tires caused the failure. just an aside here, but fortune is not on your side in that situation -- large tires place additional stress on lots of things including the axle, so DC probably will have a field day showing that the larger tires were to blame. So you'd be in for an interesting fight, and probably on your own but really the risk is very very low -- guys run 315s and larger tires all the time and don't break things, even on 2nd gen trucks with 3. 54 gears. you just have to be prepared for DC to deny warranty coverage if your axle or a U joint breaks. Which is why I suggested running an "approved" tire first to avoid question. you don't need the tire factor against you when fighting a quality issue with the AA axle!
 
I put a set of 285 Toyos on 3-4 weeks ago. No problems so far, other than the drone/vibration issue @ 70mph that is mentioned on other posts here. I can't say the tires are quieter than the stock ones, but the "drone" is more noticeable now. Ride seems smoother, or I'm getting used to it more.



The Toyos are load range "C", which I did not know (been assuming again). If I ever tow a large trailer/5ver, that would be an issue.



The tires do the job of making the truck look more proportional, instead of like a skateboard which the stock tires do.



Ride is fine, and I can't tell a big difference in wheel bounce over bumps and stuff, unlike like with the 315's I had on there briefly.



I'm still debating having the speedo recalibrated, as I'm not sure whether it's worth the record of having it done (kind of like your "permanent record" back in school). I haven't yet calibrated the difference in speed @ 70 mph.



Only question in my mind is how the Toyo's will wear. Only time will tell...



And you are correct about the service manager issue; seems to be true no matter what you drive. Good advice; I'll take it to them for the first few oil changes to "seed" things a little.
 
with 285s I would not bother with the re-cal. just mentally add 3% to everything, including odo, spedo, and mpg.
 
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