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Competition Nhra Super Stock Class For Diesel

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Several of us have been working on rules for new proposed classes in NHRA’s super stock eliminator. NHRA has assured us that if we together will present them with rules agreed upon by a majority of us they will accommodate us.



The premise for doing this is to have a legitimate venue and a stable sanctioning body for people to invest in first class race programs . where we all can all show case our abilities and acquire lucrative sponsorships.

NHRA is such a place, the races are attended by many hundreds of thousands of fans at 23 national event and twenty to thirty thousand at the more then 65 divisional races. The possibility are unlimited to achieve this goal, but we have to work on this together .





The first class will be in the super stock modified truck section , this allows for back half chassis’s , IE four Link , ladder bars and such. You have a set of rules to go by limiting what you can and can’t remove , but things like AC system , heater , power steering , and other weight bearing items. You must run steel body parts with the exception to the hood.



This class will be a minimum of 4500 lbs with driver at the end of the run.

Any light duty automotive diesel engine is acceptable any internal modification is allowed.



TURBOCHARGER One ,Single turbocharger allowed One Intercoolers allowed , air to water intercoolers allowed . water injection allowed with air to air intercooler only. Example air to water intercooler or water injection , but not both. Tap Water only nothing in mixture .



TRANSMISSION any OEM allowed Tran brake allowed .



This class will be a viable class for everyone , the reasoning behind the single turbo is simple ,to keep this class from running faster the dreaded 9. 99 .

When a competitor in a class runs faster then 9. 99 or 135 mph then the results are everyone in the class will then be required to get a competition licenses and a chassis tag.



For those of you that don’t have first hand knowledge of super stock, it is for the most part a bracket race , with one exception , when you come up against a vehicle in you same class, its heads up first one to the finish line wins .

You will qualify by running as far under you class index as possible , the farther under you run the better you qualify.

In about a third of the national events you have the chance to run CLASS where if you’re the fastest or the only one to show up , you win class , a WALLY and about $ 1000, just for showing up .

If your lucky enough to win a national event you could put a nice chuck of change , $15,000 in you pocket and about $7500 for a divisional event. The rules are just what we have been hammering out , add your constructive 2 cents
 
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You had me right up to the single turbo part :rolleyes:



why must everyone try to make us detune our trucks? :confused:



I was all over this idea till now. I will not go to a single turbo setup just to run this class.



I will however build my truck for this class if they decide to allow twins :cool:
 
HOSS said:
You had me right up to the single turbo part :rolleyes:



why must everyone try to make us detune our trucks? :confused:



I was all over this idea till now. I will not go to a single turbo setup just to run this class.



I will however build my truck for this class if they decide to allow twins :cool:



I think you're right Hoss, Also, shed picker bring up an interesting point regarding the validity of a pay out, We better check this one out….
 
The reasoning behind the single turbos is to keep the trucks slower then 9. 99. remember the minimum weight is 4500 lbs . you can run heavy, but it slows you down . The payout is a combination of purse and contingency money. Every eligible decal on the truck pays $500 to win and $250 to runner up, at class races they pay $ 50 to $100. a divisional race is $75 to $150 to runner up or win
 
COMP461 said:
The reasoning behind the single turbos is to keep the trucks slower then 9. 99. remember the minimum weight is 4500 lbs . you can run heavy, but it slows you down . The payout is a combination of purse and contingency money. Every eligible decal on the truck pays $500 to win and $250 to runner up, at class races they pay $ 50 to $100. a divisional race is $75 to $150 to runner up or win





No offence Greg but I would awful silly with a bunch of gasser stickers all over the bottom of my diesel truck. Is Edge and the like paying contingency money? I think if you want this to fly for diesels (I DO!!!!!!!!!) you need to make sure we can run twins.
 
Twins would be nice but I see where Greg is coming from..... If anyone goes faster then 9. 99 or 135 it creates a whole ton of new rules. Maybe something can be worked out to help limit this similiar to what is being proposed for running water injection.



As for the contigency money, I agree with getting the diesel manufactors onboard but remember that people run lots of parts that gasser manufactors make on their trucks..... Mallory, Holley, Goodyear, Bilstein, etc. So it could be a viable option for those who wish to go this route.
 
Staying out of the 9's should not be to much of a problem. Even with a back halve we still have to run all steel on the body (less hood) and it will still be plenty heavy to keep in the 10's.
 
Here are a few of the contingency

Manufactory national event

WIN R/U CLASS

ARP 300 100

ATI BALANCER 300 100

ATI CONVERTER 300 100 50

ATI TRANS 300 100 50

AEROMOTIVE PUMP 300 100 50

AEROMOTIVE REG 300 100 50

AERO QUIP FITTING 300 100 50

AERO QUIP HOSE 300 100 50

AMERICAN RACING WHEEL 300 100

AUTOMETER DATA LOGGER 300 100 50

AUTOMETER GAUGES 300 100 50

B&M SHIFTER 300 100

BARRY GRANT PUMP 300 100

CSI STARTER 300 100

CSI WATER PUMP 300 100

CENTER LINE WHEEL 300 100

CV PRODUCTS SPRING 300 100

CHEVY VEHICLE 750 250 200

CASTROL SUPER CLEANER 300 100

CASTROL OIL 300 100

CHICAGO PNEUMATIC TOOL 300 100

COMP CAMS 350 200 100





THIS IS JUST A FEW , OF 2 PAGES OF SMALL PRINT .

DODGE CHEVY AND FORD ALL PAY GOOD
 
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Here is a ideal let it have twins with a weight break for single, so how much is this weight break going to be 100 200 300 lbs , and here is another question ,will the transmissions available hold up to 17 inch slicks and a national event track for a season.



The purpose of this class is to race, not hotdog one bonsai pass. If the rules are adhered to, and believe me in NHRA they will be then everybody is on the same page, and equal. Also the rules will be stable , not changing ever time some one get a whim
 
This class is not being built to try and include current street truck; all of these trucks will be purpose built race trucks, there are several on here committed to making this work. The fast trucks will be a half ton back half with 17 inches of rubber, and stripped as far as the rules will allow. This much rubber and a no give national event track will spell disaster for Trans if we let the power get to extreme. We could use Bruno’s, but that excludes the Trans guys in the diesel world, and potential sponsorship opportunities. The real tuners will be able to make a single work fine
 
the cummins b is a sleveless block , hence light duty , Sled pull and KTA cummins explained this a while back



and any case everone know what came in a one ton truck and down
 
Staying out of the 9's should not be to much of a problem. Even with a back halve we still have to run all steel on the body (less hood) and it will still be plenty heavy to keep in the 10's.



Hoss,



What about a guy who drops a cummins into a half ton frame? Weight would be dropped considerably... ... I would expect if this class becomes reality that you would see a lot more than just guys like us out running trucks at the strip. I believe this is the main reason to set some real limits on what can be run. I know it would suck for guys to build their trucks for a class one year and then come the next year not be able to run in class because of their mods (kinda like what happened with pulling). By limiting the performance enhancements it should allow for the rules to stay stable for some time.



I still think that maybe there could be some changes to allow for twins..... Maybe bump the min weight up for guys running twins, this would do the same thing as enforcing a single charger rule.



Greg what do you think about something like this?
 
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