Competition Nhra Super Stock Class For Diesel

[Sled Puller]

Hoss,



I know it would suck for guys to build their trucks for a class one year and then come the next year not be able to run in class because of their mods (kinda like what happened with pulling). ?

Well, not really. The pulls kept changing rules to match the trucks that were showing up, and would change from pull to pull. Until somebody took the lead, looked at the majority of the trucks, split them 3 ways, added some safety, and came up with what most of the rules at all major events are based on.

Yes, there were a few guys, that didn't fit in the classes, anymore, but they were given plenty of warning and time to go up a class, or down a class.



If I were building a race vehicle, I sure would check and see if there were a class for it, before I built it.

 

[Jetpilot]

Gene,



I am not trying to bust on anyone but how much time were guys given when this happened. Also you and I both know that going up a class is a lot harder (more $$) than going down thus why a lot of guys were upset. It appears what is going on here is trying to get the rules in order prior to guys setting up trucks to run in the class.



No organization is going to be able to please everyone, so it makes sense to try and see what folks want prior to implementing rules.....

 

[Sled Puller]

About 6 months. Most were mad about additional safety, at that time, rather than power.



It just doesn't make any sense to me, to design a class, that nobody(1? 2?) even has a vehicle for.



I watched one company promote "Super Stock" pulling last year. trouble was, they had 2 Super Stocks and the rest were street trucks.



To put that in terms you would understand, 2 -10 second trucks, and the rest were 14 sec trucks!



I would rather see, 2 hot trucks run exhibiton, and the street trucks stay in the class, they belong.



Basically, all COMP is doing, is posting a wish list, that he personally would like to see.

I highly doubt anyone at the NHRA even knows what he's up to, or cares. Or, they told him to go do something, so he would quit pestering them.

 

[COMP461]

Fletch a little bird , as in the former owner , told me he delivered this to a diesel guy in warshinton state , said the guy works at Boeing . tell me its true , some worthy compitition , heard you words to him were " you were going to go weasle hunting"

 

[COMP461]

Basically, all COMP is doing, is posting a wish list, that he personally would like to see.

I highly doubt anyone at the NHRA even knows what he's up to, or cares. Or, they told him to go do something, so he would quit pestering them.

Gene there are a number of well known people in the diesel world that have been involved in this deal, you would be welcome to join. This is going to happen , some people would like it to not come about , the super stock deal will give us a venue to race and some of the people in the diesel world a place to stand out , where it really counts , when the manufactures find out that this is a real venue , and not small time racing then the money will flow and everyone will be benefited

 

[Sled Puller]

I think I'll stick to where the real action is, for Diesel trucks, and thats on the pulling track. Diesel Drag racing seems like the feminine side of Diesel motorsports(not quite as wishy washy as dyno only trucks ), and theres nothing wrong with that, but I think the Diesels day will continue to be on the dirt.



If I did go play, it would be mostly steel, and a real truck, no tupperware for me. Or a Diesel Super Bird. Now that would be fun.



Although I have always said it would make more sense to dragrace with camper trailers on behind.

 

[ZRacer]

Why not open the class up to run quicker than 9. 99? I have several friends who race the GT classes and run quicker than 9. 99 on a 10. 35 index. Yes the chasis need full cages and need to be certified-so what? Super Stock guys are always pushing the limits of their machinery, why not let the trucks fly? I'm sure as more Gas Drag Racers start playing with the power to be had inside a Diesel, you'll really start to see these trucks rock and roll! If a team is serious about being competitive in the class, building and getting a chasis certified is to be expected. Getting a license to go quicker than 9. 99 is not a difficult or expensive procedure. Why limit the performance of these trucks out of the gate? Let them evolve naturally.



Glad to see you guys are trying to claborate with the NHRA on developing a class. Although, IHRA may be easier to work with, as they are more Sportsman oriented. NHRA has had a decent reputation though in the last few years on nuturing new forms of racing i. e. The Sport Compact series for example and the continuing to run Pro Mods at least as exhibition classes. There is decent money to be made in Class racing, although bigger races and purses are to be had in IHRA in the E. T. Bracket Racing classes. There are several $2000, $5000, $10,000 and $50,000 to win races. I guess Drag Racing a Diesel is a foreign idea to many folks, but as we all know these motors make some unreal HP and Tq and too see the expressions on fans faces when a Diesel powered truck runs a low ET is just priceless! TO the Sled pullers I'm sure the idea of Drag Racing a Diesel Truck is absurd, but you might be suprised how much there is to learn just by having an open mind and looking at something from a different perspective.

 

[RedRam401]

Real Diesel Drag Racing!!!!

I'm sorry guys, but the Super Boss and Bandag Bandit are REAL diesel drag racing in my book.

In 1974 my Mom's shop (Delaney and Alph Diesel Service in Bakersfield, CA) built the Super Boss, the Bandag Bandit was built in '78

On it's first pass the Super Boss turned a 14. 0 before it turned the drive shaft into a pretzel doing a burn out at Ontario Motor Speedway in 1975.

It looked more like a funny car than a truck#ad

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http://www.tyronemalone.com/Super_Boss/index.htm

 

[COMP461]

The reason to keep the trucks slower then 9. 99 is to hold off some of the requirements of running faster , I ran D/econo dragster in comp for a number of years , and in 1999 when the first 7. 49 in a D/ED was done the next year we all had to upgrade from the regular chassis tag to an SFI tag this resulted in a safer car, but more expense . I guess we should just let it open up and run faster ,but I was trying to keep it from escalating . the way comp has . I currently hold a 3 A , 3 b lic. I raced a SS/DM last season for a few races

 

[TurboTweaker]

Comp,

All these drags are out on the west coast, not fair to the guys stuck in the middle. what about BIR they hold national events. will the trucks get to drag there? given we only have on or two trucks in the 13 under bracket. It would still be nice to have things aply across the map. Whats the motor rules? does it have to be a 5. 9 or can it be somthing else?



TFK

Andy

 

[COMP461]

This class will be composed of Cummins , powerstrokes , and duramax’s once the manufactures get a hold of this you will see money flow . when I started our I6 trailblazer project 2 years ago for comps F/EA and G/ED Chevy gave me 4 complete engine kits . NHRA drag racing is big business. I talked to my friends at NHRA today and this is defiantly a go if we get the rules done. Eric told me that the people at the top of NHRA were very impressed and excited after they say Scott dragster and my truck run . The fan base was impressed also . The demographics of NHRA drag racing is rich in truck and diesel people



Another benefit of this is the big diesel aftermarket company’s will jump on the contingency’s band wagon. You will see them sponsor trucks and the money and parts will flow freely.



I have several people call today ,and its half and half on twins so the consciences is 4500 with about 200 lbs weight break for a single turbo. NHRA has a little problem with water injection, but we will have to overcome that , we need the water injection people for sponsorship opportunity . they also wanted to make sure, it was any OEM transmission allowed.

 

[COMP461]

Comp,

All these drags are out on the west coast, not fair to the guys stuck in the middle. what about BIR they hold national events. will the trucks get to drag there? given we only have on or two trucks in the 13 under bracket. It would still be nice to have things aply across the map. Whats the motor rules? does it have to be a 5. 9 or can it be somthing else?



TFK

Andy

here is the divisional schedule

http://www.nhra.com/2005/sportsman/schedule.html

here is the national event schedule for sports man

http://nhra.com/tech_specs/sportsmanschedule.html







Feb. 10-13 45th annual CARQUEST Auto Parts Winternationals

Pomona, Calif.

Feb. 25-27 21st annual Checker Schuck’s Kragen NHRA Nationals

Phoenix

March 17-20 36th annual Mac Tools NHRA Gatornationals

Gainesville, Fla.

April 8-10 18th annual O’Reilly NHRA Spring Nationals

Houston

April 14-17 Sixth annual NHRA SummitRacing.com Nationals

Las Vegas

April 29-May 1 Fifth annual O’Reilly NHRA Thunder Valley Nationals

Bristol, Tenn.

May 12-15 25th annual Summit Racing Equipment NHRA Southern Nationals

Atlanta, Ga.

May 19-22 41st annual Pontiac Excitement NHRA Nationals

Columbus, Ohio

May 26-29 17th annual O’Reilly NHRA Summer Nationals

Topeka, Kan.

June 9-12 Eighth annual CARQUEST Auto Parts NHRA Nationals

Chicago

June 16-19 36th annual K&N Filters SuperNationals

Englishtown, N. J.

June 24-26 Ninth annual Sears Craftsman NHRA Nationals

St. Louis

July 15-17 26th annual Mopar Mile-High NHRA Nationals

Denver

July 22-24 18th annual CARQUEST Auto Parts NHRA Nationals

Seattle

July 29 - 31 18th annual FRAM-Autolite NHRA Nationals

Sonoma, Calif.

Aug. 11-14 24th annual Lucas Oil NHRA Nationals

Brainerd, Minn.

Aug. 19-21 18th annual O’Reilly NHRA Mid-South Nationals

Memphis, Tenn.

Aug. 31 – Sept. 5 51st annual Mac Tools U. S. Nationals

Indianapolis

Sept. 15-18 21st annual NHRA Nationals

Reading, Pa.

Sept. 22-25 20th annual O’Reilly NHRA Fall Nationals

Dallas

Sept. 29 – Oct. 2 Fifth annual Route 66 NHRA Nationals

Chicago

Oct. 20-23 Fifth annual ACDelco Las Vegas NHRA Nationals

Las Vegas

Nov. 3-6 41st annual Automobile Club of Southern California NHRA Finals

Pomona

 

[COMP461]

NHRA Cajun SPORTSnationals

No Problem Raceway

Belle Rose, La. , April 22-24



NHRA Northern SPORTSnationals

National Trail Raceway

Columbus, Ohio, July 28-31



SOUTHEAST DIVISION

Bradenton Motorsports Park Bradenton, Fla. Feb. 4-6

Gainesville Raceway Gainesville, Fla. Feb. 25-27

Orlando Speedworld Dragway Orlando, Fla. Mar. 11-13

Montgomery Motorsports Park Montgomery, Ala. April 1-3

South Georgia Motor Sports Park Valdosta, Ga. June 3-4

Bristol Dragway Bristol, Tenn. July 22-23

Silver Dollar Raceway Reynolds, Ga. Oct. 21-23



NORTH CENTRAL DIVISION

Indianapolis Raceway Park Clermont, Ind. April 15-17

Mid-Michigan Motorplex Stanton, Mich. July 1-3

Route 66 Raceway Chicago, Ill. July 15-17

Edgewater Sports Park Cincinnati, Ohio Aug. 5-7

Beech Bend Raceway Park Bowling Green, Ky. Aug. 26-28

National Trail Raceway Columbus, Ohio Sept. 23-25



SOUTH CENTRAL DIVISION

Houston Raceway Park Houston, Texas March 11-13

Texas Motorplex Ennis, Texas April 29-May 1

Red River Raceway Gilliam, La. May 20-22

Memphis Motorsports Park Memphis, Tenn. June 3-4

Cherokee County Motorsports Park Rusk, Texas June 10-12

Thunder Valley Raceway Park Noble, Okla. Sept. 16-17

No Problem Raceway Belle Rose, La. Oct. 14-16



WEST CENTRAL DIVISION

SRCA Dragstrip Great Bend, Kan. May 13-15

Brainerd Int'l Raceway Brainerd, Minn. June 3-5

Bandimere Speedway Denver, Colo. June 17-19

Nebraska Motorplex Scribner, Neb. Aug. 5-7

Heartland Park Topeka Topeka, Kan. Aug. 26-27

Tri-State Raceway Earlville, Iowa Sept. 9-11



NORTHWEST DIVISION

Mission RacewayMission, B. C. May 13-15

Firebird Raceway Boise, Idaho June 3-5

Pacific Raceways Kent. Wash. June 17-19

Woodburn Dragstrip Woodburn, Ore. July 8-10

Portland Int'l Raceway Portland, Ore. Aug. 5-7

Intermountain Motor Sports Park Acton, Mont. Aug. 19-21

Southern Oregon Dragway White City, Ore. Oct. 7-8



PACIFIC DIVISION

Firebird Int'l Raceway Chandler, Ariz. March 4-6

Southwestern Int'l Raceway Tucson, Ariz. April 1-3

Famoso Raceway Bakersfield, Calif. May 20-22

Infineon Raceway Sonoma, Calif. July 1-3

Top Gun Raceway Fallon, Nev. Sept. 9-11

California Dragway Fontana, Calif. Sept. 15-18

The Strip at Las Vegas Motor Speedway Las Vegas, Nev. Oct. 27-30



NORTHEAST DIVISION

Maple Grove Raceway Reading, Pa. May 27-29

Lebanon Valley Dragway West Lebanon, N. Y. July 1-3

U. S. 13 Dragway Delmar, Del. July 15-17

Numidia Raceway Numidia, Pa. Aug. 12-14

Cecil County Dragway Rising Sun, Md. Aug. 26-28

Old Bridge Township Raceway Park Englishtown, N. J. Sept. 9-11

Atco Raceway Atco, N. J. Oct. 7-9

 

[COMP461]

guys look up at these races , with all the possabilitys, big money , 100,000 fans

 

[Hammer]

If your lucky enough to win a national event you could put a nice chuck of change , $15,000 in you pocket and about $7500 for a divisional event.

I don't want to be a guy who will rain on your parade,but,you need to offer those who decide to do this the real or rest of the story. NHRA does NOT pay out this amount of money for ANY class racer in the sportsman catagories to win,never have and never will. Could you possibly win that much,yes,but it would only come thru what the contingencies would payout. While were are on that subject,you better have all your decals on before eliminations and claimed along with the product on your vehicle or no payola for you. I know guys who are still waiting on companies to pay them from class wins or national/divisional event wins. SS payouts only average around $1500 to win and thats IF you would draw a 128 car field. The ONLY Superstock race that pays more than that is the US Nationals and to even make the show there you better be at least . 80 under your index or a class winner there.



I hope that diesel pickups can be factored into a "class style" race format,but,do they belong into Superstock,NO!!!!!. ANY Modified or Experimental class racer belongs where they were years ago in Comp Eliminator. Full tube frames and engines that have no restrictions belong there or they need to bring back the old Modified Production class. It was one of NHRA's biggest blunders when they added these old Modified production cars and the experimentals to Superstock.



While I am at it Comp,make sure you tell these prospective racers what the National and Divisional Event entry fees are for the miniscual amount of winnings you have a chance at. Also make sure they know they will need to earn grading points before they can enter any National event and if they haven't sent their entries in for Indy by now they will not get in there to race.



Some will call this me being negative but prospective racers need to hear both sides and not all the rah rah rah stuff said here. Racing with NHRA is not all rosy like you see with the professionals on TV. I have only touched on part of the negatives and could go on forever... ... ... . Andy

 

[HOSS]

Fletch a little bird , as in the former owner , told me he delivered this to a diesel guy in warshinton state , said the guy works at Boeing . tell me its true , some worthy compitition , heard you words to him were " you were going to go weasle hunting"

That looks like a weasle killer to me :-laf Rumor has it this truck made a low 9 second run last week in the snow just wait till the frost thaws see what she'll really do.

 

[ob1kobi]

Hammer, thanks for the honest view into the other side. The grass isn't always greener. So what exactly is the advantage of running NHRA instead of DHRA. So far I haven't seen any, in fact it looks like it is almost a disadvantage for alot of us to run NHRA.



Why can't we put this same type of effort for sponsorship behind the DHRA which was set up specifically for us?

 

[Fletcher]

lets do something

Greg, My Hat's off to you!!!!! This is a great start into developing and critiquing classes within the NHRA. I know as well as you, there are a lot of our distinguished colleagues across the Nation waiting for something to happen. Theses posts cite the pros and cons of any beginning organizational attempts (this is good)



The SME'S (Subject Matter Experts) posts are valuable, and capture opportunities. Please feel free to call us, we can help surface all the issues and help in developing classes that will accommodate all of us

(twins, weights, times, material, tires, etc. )

 

[COMP461]

I don't want to be a guy who will rain on your parade,but,you need to offer those who decide to do this the real or rest of the story. NHRA does NOT pay out this amount of money for ANY class racer in the sportsman catagories to win,never have and never will. Could you possibly win that much,yes,but it would only come thru what the contingencies would payout. While were are on that subject,you better have all your decals on before eliminations and claimed along with the product on your vehicle or no payola for you. I know guys who are still waiting on companies to pay them from class wins or national/divisional event wins. SS payouts only average around $1500 to win and thats IF you would draw a 128 car field. The ONLY Superstock race that pays more than that is the US Nationals and to even make the show there you better be at least . 80 under your index or a class winner there.

The pay out fro super stock at a NHRA LUCAS OIL NATIONALS IN BRAINERD last year was

SUPER STOCK ELIMINATOR

WINNER $1800

RUNNER UP $1200

6TH ROUND $ 750

5TH ROUND $500

4TH ROUND $400

3RD ROUND $300

That race last year drew 56 cars

You are correct in the past it took a while, like 6 months for the contingency’s to get caught up, but NHRA has in the past few years put their foot down, and its is better the average win is still over $10,000, but if you go to the races to make money and have to win every time you in the wrong sport.

I hope that diesel pickups can be factored into a "class style" race format,but,do they belong into Superstock,NO!!!!!. ANY Modified or Experimental class racer belongs where they were years ago in Comp Eliminator. Full tube frames and engines that have no restrictions belong there or they need to bring back the old Modified Production class. It was one of NHRA's biggest blunders when they added these old Modified production cars and the experimentals to Superstock.

This little battle in super stock has been going on a long time and there are strong opinions on both sides , the rules were changed almost 20 years ago and its still a debate. The good thing about NHRA is that are stable and the rules don’t change at a whim it’s a long process ,and the rules we live with now are going to stay with us a while.

While I am at it Comp,make sure you tell these prospective racers what the National and Divisional Event entry fees are for the miniscual amount of winnings you have a chance at. Also make sure they know they will need to earn grading points before they can enter any National event and if they haven't sent their entries in for Indy by now they will not get in there to race.

A nation event is $275 to enter this includes insurances, with a NHRA license you have a large amount of insurance if something bad happens. A divisional event is usual $ 175.

The grading system is a program where as you have to run a few divisional races to run the national events in the past you had to have so many points to get an entry , usually 3 in super stock in comp it was only 1 . last year NHRA t started a program where you entered all races on grade points at the first of the year, and they had a quota, it was a disaster and a mess,



NHRA listen to the races and fixed it , now the races are open no points required . The races now open for entry about 6 weeks before and start at grade 6 , each few days they drop a point till their quota is full here is that schedule

https://www.nhraeventreg.com/2005RelSched.html





all and all its not perfect , but it’s a real Sanction body , where you could see a big participation in it by the major players

 

[ZRacer]

I agree with Hammer that Comp Eliminator would be a better fit to explore Diesel Perormance developement. Comp has so many different engine combos that make it interesting to watch. As a Sportsman racer myself I would agree that NHRA is probably not the best sactioning body to race in. IHRA revolves around the Sportsman racer and the payouts are far better at a bracket race than calss races. The entry fees aren't as expensive either.



Instead of trying to develope a new class within the current NHRA or IHRA line up, there could be some partnering going on between one of the sanctioning bodys and the DHRA, just like NHRA has the Sport Compact Series. The SPC has it's own class structure and rules, but does get endorsement and support from the NHRA. This way at least, the DHRA would get more advertising and an influx of new money.