Competition Nhra Super Stock Class For Diesel

[paulb]

I just got in from the NHRA winter nationals in Pomona , the comp car we went three rounds . I got a talk with every one from NHRA , and this is gathering momentum. NHRA is also wanting a potentional rules fro a competition eliminator class, this would be the ultimate for me. But back to super stock , this is ready the end of this week

I would be interested in a CE class. I currently race CE A/ND.

 

[COMP461]

Any more thoghts on the weight, is it fair and equable in all respects

Do we need to drop the minimum or are any of the breaks to heavy or light



This is very close, to becoming something we will have to live with, speak up

 

[HoleshotHolset]

I dunno, Greg - I'm fresh out of ideals. :-laf



Matt

 

[Turbo Thom]

The weight is OK but what about the water and no intercooler? I would like to see DHRA and NHRA race with the same rules.



. . Preston. .

 

[COMP461]

The way we are talking now is you can have a air to air intercooler , with water , or have a water to air intercooler



I would hope that after this gets to the level I foresee in NHRA , meaning that several big aftermarket manufactures building first class trucks, and the competition gets tight for the record , the DHRA would have some of these trucks come race . under the NHRA rules . would be a good Match race , and if the Edge truck would show up, so would I



The great thing about this class is you could build a back yard truck , and do what you can on a racers budget , and still have just as good of a chance of winning the U. S. Nationals , as the guy with a $40,000 F. J. smith chassis , with a $40,000 Buddha Power engine. And big name sponsorship . this is a bracket race with the one exception of coming up against a vehicle in you same class in the other lane, then its heads up.



The record holding truck would not have an advantage over some ones . 10 under the index beater that just squeaked thru tech. Both get in the show to race , at divisional races , and most national events , some times the cut off is a little faster if it becomes a qualified field , and a lot of car show up. But the majority of races are all run.

 

[Turbo Thom]

That sounds good. Now the "goats" runnin around the shop might be able to run with the "Pretty" trucks. That'll be fun to see.



. . Preston. .

 

[COMP461]

will race in houstion this week , but in comp , and not my diesel

 

[COMP461]

Last week several of us had a conference call with senior official at NHRA, were encouraged by them, and their excitement at bring sportsman diesel racing to their ranks. The proposals are ready to send, and you that have asked for them will be getting the word doc to send in the rules proposals to NHRA for the upcoming meeting of the competition committee. NHRA ask and will get some addition proposals in this same package, the effected people are involved in this rules proposal also.



NHRA asked that we also formulate a proposal for SS/FX this is a class in super stock for experimental, this is an almost open class, for unusual entries. The rules in this proposal will be for a tube chassis class at around 3000 lbs, any transmission, twin turbo, nitrous and water injection. This question is now on the weight, I am at 2900 lbs now and could with work get down to 2700 lbs, I believe that Keith’s truck is above 3000 lbs, and Fletches truck will be around the weight of mine. Banks truck which I went to se when I was in Pomona could be as light as 2400 because of the Duramax’s weight. The fair deal is to make something everybody can get to with out a great deal of expensive titanium , but not have to ballast up to and only the people with current trucks will work on these rules , so if you have a chassis truck of intend on getting one , please pm me or fletch.



NHRA also gave us an unexpected surprise when they also talked about putting both the super stock modified, and the SS/FX in comp in the future, when we established a performance example of what diesels can really do. The modified will go in the super modified ranks in comp, and the SS/FX would go in altered.



We were also impressed in that NHRA wants us, we spice things up a bit as they put it , between Scotts Benz’s performance in Pomona , and my run at Dallas , they were impressed , at the reaction to the crowds and the fan mail that they got over the winter about diesels . From the reaction and the mail I and others on here are getting from you out there, we have started a land slide of people that want a place to race. The vendors have also come in with commitments to become diesel contingency sponsors in the NHRA arena; this is not just products on your race car, but on the tow vehicle as well.



The comp classes will be very high end, but so is pro mod or other top performers. This will bring out the biggest names in the diesel world, in super stock the same rules will apply, but almost any one with a hot rod back ground and a desire to race will be afforded a place to race

 

[TurboTweaker]

keep up the great work greg and people behind the scenes. Oo. cant wait to race.



the fat kid

Andy

 

[COMP461]

Thanks Andy , and thanks for you hard work too

 

[TurboTweaker]

not a problem greg but i really didnt do anything, that i know of that is. After all im am just a fat kid not like i know anything. lets get this thing done and setup im sick of waiting.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[COMP461]

well thanks any way the word file is almost done for all the proposals

 

[COMP461]

wouldn't it be great if the NHRdA would run a shoot out of these SS trucks

 

[HOSS]

wouldn't it be great if the NHRdA would run a shoot out of these SS trucks

Maybe we will

 

[COMP461]

NHRA is now wanting spec. for a dragster for comp,



my guess , and I'm going to leave this to scott to work out , 2000 lbs with one stage of nitrous , twins and a air intake restriction.

 

[COMP461]

Now that NHRA is asking for more proposed rules , for Competition eliminator , and Super stock we are again opening another round of discussions. Stefan Kondelay came up with the greatest ideal and we need input. Stefan Like myself has raced in NHRA and shares my sentiment in bringing diesels and NHRA together . here is his ideal in a short form,



Any turbo combination but have a mandated , and sealed blow off valve on the boost side of the turbo. This part would be sealed ,and set for pressure by the manufactory per NHRA specs . You can have one or two turbos , and the results would be the same limited boost ,equals restrained power , would you still want a weight break for a single turbo, maybe a few hundred lbs . the benefit of this set up would be quick spool and smoke control, but a definite limit on top end hp. NHRA dose not want to completely do away with smoke , as it is a fan favorite , but they do want it to be reasonable . I believe that when a diesel is tuned right , and is on the ragged edge there will be very little smoke , just a grey twinge .

 

[COMP461]

Rules Same as SS/MODIFIED TRUCK with the following exceptions.

1990 and newer ¾ ton truck and smaller as named by manufactory.

This class will be above minimum with driver at the end of the run.

Any light duty automotive diesel engine originally installed in a one ton truck and down is acceptable any internal modification is allowed.



TURBOCHARGER Any size turbo, turbos , maximum two turbos 300 lbs weight break for single turbo



Intercoolers allowed , air to water intercoolers allowed . water injection allowed with air to air intercooler only. Example air to water intercooler or water injection , but not both.



TRANSMISSION any OEM allowed . Tran brake allowed .



Exhaust must be pointed up and back , so as to not obscure the lights or other lane



BOOST REGULATOR . a blow off type boost regulator will be installed on the pressure side of the intake track. This pressure limiting device will be set as a determined boost level , and will be set and sealed by the NHRA approved . manufactory ANY TAMPERING WITH OR ATTEMPT TO DEFEAT THIS DEVICE WILL BE CONSIDERED A FLAGRANT RULES VIOLATION , AS DEFINED IN THE NHRA PROCEDURES MANUEL .



SS/T/Diesel/A ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . 4200 lbs



SS/T/Diesel/B... ... ... ... ... ... ..... 5200 lbs





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[TurboTweaker]

5200 lbs. greg thats it? i can make that with a decked out dakota. hmmmm A/c and a radio in my race truck that would be nice. the rules sound good to me. Keep up the good work Greg and others.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[COMP461]

Rules Same as SS/FACTORY EXPERIMENTAL with the following exceptions.

1990 and newer ½ ton truck and smaller as named by manufactory.

This class will be above minimum with driver at the end of the run.

Any light duty automotive diesel engine originally installed in a one ton truck and down is acceptable any internal modification is allowed.



TURBOCHARGER Any size turbo, turbos , maximum two turbos 150 lbs weight break for single turbo



Intercoolers allowed , air to water intercoolers allowed . water injection allowed with air to air intercooler only. Example air to water intercooler or water injection , but not both.



TRANSMISSION any type allowed . Tran brake allowed .



Exhaust must be pointed up and back , so as to not obscure the lights or other lane



WEIGHT SS/DIESEL X 3000





Now the wild class



Competition eliminator



DIESEL/ ALTERED



1990 and newer ½ ton truck and smaller as named by manufactory.

This class will be above minimum with driver at the end of the run.

Any light duty automotive diesel engine originally installed in a one ton truck and down is acceptable any internal modification is allowed.



TURBOCHARGER Any size turbo, turbos , maximum two turbos 150 lbs weight break for single turbo



Intercoolers allowed , air to water intercoolers allowed . water injection allowed with air to air intercooler only. Example air to water intercooler or water injection , but not both.



NITROUS OXIDE allowed , maximum two solenoid



TRANSMISSION any type allowed . Tran brake allowed .



Exhaust must be pointed up and back , so as to not obscure the lights or other lane



DIESEL/ ALTERED weight 3000 lbs





DIESEL / DRAGSTER

This class is maximum effort diesel dragster

This class will be above minimum with driver at the end of the run.

Any light duty automotive diesel engine originally installed in a one ton truck and down is acceptable any internal modification is allowed.



TURBOCHARGER Any size turbo, turbos , maximum two turbos 100 lbs weight break for single turbo



Intercoolers allowed , air to water intercoolers allowed . water injection allowed with air to air intercooler only. Example air to water intercooler or water injection , but not both.



NITROUS OXIDE allowed , maximum two solenoid



TRANSMISSION any type allowed . Tran brake allowed .



Exhaust must be pointed up and back , so as to not obscure the lights or other lane



DIESEL DRAGSTER weight 2000

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Everything seems very 'truck centric'...

What if a dude had a front-wheel-drive VW TDI he wanted to race? (or some other diesel powered car... )



We'll leave the diesel bikes and sleds out of this for now.



Matt